Is "The Truth" owed an apology?

[Big Gunns]

OK - all the OFF TOPIC fishing post have been moved to.....Off Topic, and you can continue your discussions there. I've even copied the link for you:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...apology-thread

Whether you like Big Gunns or not, there ARE some people genuinely interested in what's going on with deserts, particularly those seriously considering parting with a significant amount of money to get into the project.

You may not like how he started the thread, but I can guarantee you that there are people interested in the subject and the possible ensuing discussion without having to wade through the thread de-railing posts. At least have some modicum of respect for your fellow members who DO want to see this topic flesh out.

This one?

http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...97720&key=2011

Thanks Rabs....this is why they pay you the big bucks around here.

Robin, thank you for taking care of the off topic chatter. This is, indeed, a very interesting and important topic. I'm glad Neil brought it up because for whatever reason, I was completely oblivious to this issue.

That being said...Neil...if you boast about having "the truth" about this matter, and then don't actually post anything but taunts, how is that any different than those others who are "in the know" just sitting on the information they have? If you have some sort of proof that is important to the community, then just share it. If you believe you know something, but can't prove it, then let us know so we can use that information to help weigh our own choices in the desert market. If you just want to bring a serious issue to the forefront of public attention...that's fine, too...so long as you're honest about what you're intentions are.

Did you forget who you're talking to JLC? There's always a method to Big Gunns madness. Maybe Big Gunns was fishing for some "Big Fish" on this thread. It seems they were smart enough not to take the bait. Never forget the intelligence level of the perfect one. He knows what he's doing. BG is sorry if some of you don't like it. Well....not that sorry.

Thank you. I'm all for finding out about Female Deserts and if they can produce viable clutches, but the way this thread started STINKS.

If you don't like the way the person is giving you the information....you have no need to stay in his classroom. Just don't click the thread. You can thank Big Gunns later for solving your leeeetle petty problem.

Once at attention seeking troll, always an attention seeking troll.

No drama, no neil.

We could be twins huh?

Are you asking for Big Gunns banning again? So sad buddy.....and BG thought we were turning over a new leaf in our friendship.

With exception to a few scattered reports/pictures that I keep hearing about, I don't think there's been much in the way of proof of many desert females laying good eggs, whether they're single gene or not. I'm certain that anyone trying to breed deserts knows about the rumor, and I am equally as certain that none of those people have had good results because they would have immediately tried to discount the rumor with proof. I know I sure would be blanketing the web with pictures, especially if I had females to sale.

I decided months ago to hold back all of my females (if I get any) until this rumor is confirmed/denied, or until I can prove them out myself. It is really surprising that all of these breeders are selling females at all, knowing full well that they could potentially be ripping someone off. Are they disclosing this to customers before they purchase? Look at how many of you had no idea about this. I just saw some dude trying to sell his 1kg female for 4k. I suppose he could be one of the ignorant few, but I wouldn't take that bet and I think it's pretty seedy.

Robyn is the only one that I've seen step up to the plate concerning his girls. (kind of )

He gave that guarantee to ONE PERSON....not EVERYONE. If he didn't Big Gunns really wants to see that in full context.

That's assuming that EVERYone who has a desert project would have the exact same lack of values. If it was just ONE breeder who had control over who published what information...then maybe someone could think that. But there are many different people who have a vested interest in proving out the deserts. And MOST of them (if not all) are honest, upstanding individuals who wouldn't sit still for keeping that kind of secret just so a few greedy souls could earn some extra bucks.



Really? And would you continue smirking if, at the same time, your personal integrity and business reputation are going down the tubes because everyone assumes you're intentionally shafting the community to earn a few extra dollars?

No need to "assume" anything here.

It's kinda funny. BG thinks "The Truth" said it best. We always like to "kill the messenger". Why is that? Then again.....BG guesses that since he's the "messenger".... it's very understandable.