Yeah, I have heard people who work with them say that even if you work with non-kinked snakes and breed across lines, sooner or later you will still produce a kinked animal. I don't know that anyone's run the numbers on it, but it's keeping me from working with caramels.

Which kills me, because I love the colors. Ultramels don't do it for me--- they just don't seem to have the purples you see in a lot of caramels. Ultramels don't seem to glow the same way.