Spider to normal suprise, comments please.

[PitOnTheProwl]

I will breed him to one of my super pastel female

That would be interesting to see, wounder if it will be all bees or spiders At the rate he is going there shouldnt be any pastels at all, right?

[Alexandra V]

That's very interesting. Definitely keep breeding him and keep us posted, I think you may have a homozygous spider on your hands!

Yes, very interesting. 20+ years into this project about time we get to the bottom of if spider is co-dominant or dominant.

If there are homozygous spiders, it would still be considered a dominant trait, wouldn't it? Because the heterozygous phenotype would still be the same as the homozygous phenotype if this is an actual homozygous spider that the OP has.

[Alexandra V]

That would be interesting to see, wounder if it will be all bees or spiders At the rate he is going there shouldnt be any pastels at all, right?

It would be all bees, no spiders or pastels if it's with a super pastel.

[PitOnTheProwl]

It would be all bees, no spiders or pastels if it's with a super pastel.

actually its 50% pastel and 50% bees
but if he is that dominant then it should be all bees unless for some FREAK reason he is dominant enough to over run the pastel and get a spider thrown.
That would be very interesting to see

[Alexandra V]

actually its 50% pastel and 50% bees
but if he is that dominant then it should be all bees unless for some FREAK reason he is dominant enough to over run the pastel and get a spider thrown.
That would be very interesting to see

Aahh okay, I get ya. I was thinking the odds assuming the spider was a homozygous spider, not a regular spider.

[llovelace]

Congrats, looking forward to see what you get next season

[Serpent_Nirvana]

actually its 50% pastel and 50% bees
but if he is that dominant then it should be all bees unless for some FREAK reason he is dominant enough to over run the pastel and get a spider thrown.
That would be very interesting to see

You are correct that if it is indeed a homozygous spider, bred to a "super" (homozygous) pastel, you should get ALL bees. However, since the female can only throw a pastel gene -- not a normal gene on that locus -- I can't really see how you could possibly get a simple spider.

... Of course, weird things seem to like to happen with these ball python guys -- guess I shouldn't be too shocked if it produces something that shouldn't theoretically be possible

[ace_singapore]

Look forward to more shocking news, good luck!

[RandyRemington]

If there are homozygous spiders, it would still be considered a dominant trait, wouldn't it? Because the heterozygous phenotype would still be the same as the homozygous phenotype if this is an actual homozygous spider that the OP has.

Yes, this potential homozygous spider would be the first direct indication that spider might be dominant. It's been called dominant for years do to the lack of a visibly different super spider but that could also have been explained by spider being homozygous lethal which I think would qualify as a co-dominant mutation.

Would love to see these prove out regularly just to be sure this one isn't a fluke like maybe he is a paradox/chimera and his reproductive organs are one of the few parts that are homozygous spider. If he could be traced back to the breeder to see if he they even did any spider X spider breedings that year it would help to weigh if he is just a conventional homozygous spider or some more exotic explanation. Have to wonder why no other potential homozygous spiders became public in the decades before now.

[OhhWatALoser]

Yes, this potential homozygous spider would be the first direct indication that spider might be dominant. It's been called dominant for years do to the lack of a visibly different super spider but that could also have been explained by spider being homozygous lethal which I think would qualify as a co-dominant mutation.

Would love to see these prove out regularly just to be sure this one isn't a fluke like maybe he is a paradox/chimera and his reproductive organs are one of the few parts that are homozygous spider. If he could be traced back to the breeder to see if he they even did any spider X spider breedings that year it would help to weigh if he is just a conventional homozygous spider or some more exotic explanation. Have to wonder why no other potential homozygous spiders became public in the decades before now.

I like to call it unproven dominant. Would be even more interesting if it was a chimera type of thing... ahhh the possibilities. There has been a couple possible homozygous spider claims, one never followed up after making the claim a few years ago and the other one the animal passed away after 9 or 11 eggs all being spider ircc, so that was the end of that. Only 2 I know of.