Need some help plz

[Jay_Bunny]

Well I can tell you without a doubt that is not a cinnamon.

Other than that she appears gravid, or at least building. Has she been that thick for a while now, or has that just sprung up recently?

[Skittles1101]

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-multiple-BP-s

[Tori Witschger]

Well I can tell you without a doubt that is not a cinnamon.

Other than that she appears gravid, or at least building. Has she been that thick for a while now, or has that just sprung up recently?

See I was told she is the product of a cinnamon and a reduced pattern on her other side she does has a few flames and the black spots on her brown patches are missing cause of the reduced pattern :s I was inclined to believe the breeder since he does his own snakes and he practically gave her away because she was not what he wanted for his breeding projects since she didn't look pure cinnamon and all his snakes are high high quality. what do you think she looks like?? maybe I should take pics of her other side and show you her flame markings even if she isn't a cinnamon I love her as far as her size she has been that thick for a few months but its hard to determine just how fast it came about I don't get to spend a ton of time with them everyday. My male makes her look tiny

[Skittles1101]

He probably gave her away because she is a normal. No breeder would give away a cinni for nothing....

She does have a lovely reduced pattern though

[Jay_Bunny]

Cinnamon is a co-dominant gene, so cinnamons can produce both cinnamons and normals, which is what yours is, a normal. She is indeed a reduced pattern but unfortunately not even low quality, reduced pattern cinnamons look like that, and even low quality cinnies are not given away (at least not by people who know what they have). She is a very pretty normal girl, but all you are going to get from that breeding is normals that have a 50% chance of carrying the pied gene. (And to be honest, if you got that het pied from your breeder friend, I'd be skeptical of his genetics too).

I have plenty of normals with flames.

[Tori Witschger]

Cinnamon is a co-dominant gene, so cinnamons can produce both cinnamons and normals, which is what yours is, a normal. She is indeed a reduced pattern but unfortunately not even low quality, reduced pattern cinnamons look like that, and even low quality cinnies are not given away (at least not by people who know what they have). She is a very pretty normal girl, but all you are going to get from that breeding is normals that have a 50% chance of carrying the pied gene. (And to be honest, if you got that het pied from your breeder friend, I'd be skeptical of his genetics too).

I have plenty of normals with flames.

Is there like DNA tests that can be done to prove or disprove their hets?? I am gonna put pics of my male up too maybe you can tell me what you think of him also so if she is a reduced pattern that may carry the cinny gene and my male is het pied what do you think the baby's will come out to be?

[Tori Witschger]

Ok these are of my male Sang-rial and what I was told were great markers for showing his het pied what do you guys think??

[Jay_Bunny]

She does not carry the cinnamon gene. The cinnamon gene is a co-dominant gene. IF a snake has the gene, that snake will display the color and pattern associated with that gene. It will look like a cinnamon. If the snake does not have the gene, the snake will not display the color and pattern. Your snake does not display the color and pattern associated with the cinnamon gene, therefore she is a normal. She is either a cinnamon or she's not, there is no carrying. The only normal snakes that "carry" genes is if it is a recessive gene. A snake that carries a single recessive gene will still look normal. If the snake carries two copies of that same gene, then it shows up as that morph. Co dominants have one copy of the gene and that one copy shows up as a morph. Take your het pied for example. If he is indeed a het pied (which you won't know unless you breed him to a het pied or pied female) then he carries a single pied gene. Two pied genes are required to make an animal look like a pied. So he "carries" the pied gene since it is recessive. Your normal female doesn't "carry" the cinnamon gene because that gene only requires one copy of the gene to express itself. Am I making sense? I can try to explain it better.

And no, there is currently not a DNA test for snakes to determine what genes they carry. The only way to find out is to breed them. For your male you'd have to breed him to a het pied or pied female (and then each resulting egg has a 25% chance of hatching out a pied).

For your female, she'll always produce normals (she doesn't carry any morph genes, so she will always give a normal gene to her offspring.) If you pair her up with morph males (that carry either dominant or co-dominant genes) then she could produce morphs, but she will always give a normal gene, never anything else. The male would be responsible for giving the gene that produces the morph offspring.

[Tori Witschger]

He probably gave her away because she is a normal. No breeder would give away a cinni for nothing....

She does have a lovely reduced pattern though

Just so its clear when I mean I paid practically nothing.. out here most normals go for $75-$100 I got her in a trade for a old baby playpen that was worth probably like $45-$55 and Sang I paid $35 for on black friday cause he didn't want the baby's that were pied he said if they aren't perfect they aren't worth his time caring for since he is a hard core breeder.

[Tori Witschger]

She does not carry the cinnamon gene. The cinnamon gene is a co-dominant gene. IF a snake has the gene, that snake will display the color and pattern associated with that gene. It will look like a cinnamon. If the snake does not have the gene, the snake will not display the color and pattern. Your snake does not display the color and pattern associated with the cinnamon gene, therefore she is a normal. She is either a cinnamon or she's not, there is no carrying. The only normal snakes that "carry" genes is if it is a recessive gene. A snake that carries a single recessive gene will still look normal. If the snake carries two copies of that same gene, then it shows up as that morph. Co dominants have one copy of the gene and that one copy shows up as a morph. Take your het pied for example. If he is indeed a het pied (which you won't know unless you breed him to a het pied or pied female) then he carries a single pied gene. Two pied genes are required to make an animal look like a pied. So he "carries" the pied gene since it is recessive. Your normal female doesn't "carry" the cinnamon gene because that gene only requires one copy of the gene to express itself. Am I making sense? I can try to explain it better.

And no, there is currently not a DNA test for snakes to determine what genes they carry. The only way to find out is to breed them. For your male you'd have to breed him to a het pied or pied female (and then each resulting egg has a 25% chance of hatching out a pied).

For your female, she'll always produce normals (she doesn't carry any morph genes, so she will always give a normal gene to her offspring.) If you pair her up with morph males (that carry either dominant or co-dominant genes) then she could produce morphs, but she will always give a normal gene, never anything else. The male would be responsible for giving the gene that produces the morph offspring.

Yes you explained that very well Thank you, so what about the reduced pattern is there anything special about that?? is there particular types that if I breed her to would ideal for morphs?