Interesting Twist on Toffee Project

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Ok. I don't understand why you feel the need to make this into such a big deal. I said it could be possible for Toffee and Lav to be compatible some how. Why not? It appears to be compatible some how with Albino. Who would have ever thought that Toffee and Albino would have been compatible? If I had said a year ago that I thought it would be possible you would be saying the same thing you are now. I don't appreciate you trying to use your basic knowledge of genetics and trying to make your self seam so knowledgeable while trying to make me seam so un knowledgeable and a troll. Thanks for the attacks.

The big deal was you starting with no one knows anything, we are all idiots for using the fact put in front of us to make some logical conclusions. Then you bringing nothing to offer with it, besides stating how superior your genetic knowledge is to everyone else. Doesn't this sound like a troll to you? Sorry for the mistake.

No i wouldn't of said the same thing a year ago, it makes perfect sense for them to be compatible, 2 genes that screw with melanin... look at boas, motley and hypo are compatible. Would I have suspected it... no, but this world is full of surprises. The issue with lav and toffee is with the genes laying on 2 different loci... you know im just repeating myself again.

Apparently in all of your knowledge in genetics you have not learned about Polygenic traits. Some traits are determined by the combined effect of more than one pair of genes. These are called Polygenic or continuous traits. Most color pigments are polygenic traits because they are influenced by more than one allele at different loci. The result is the perception of continuous gradation in the expression of these traits.

This describes why we have some many variations in normals and other morphs. Are you suggesting that the Toffino is the result of this? This is where statistics and looking at previous patterns comes in.... where to see a hint of evidence of this? Unless you know something I don't, the chances of this happening are so astronomically low, its hardly worth mentioning. If we are all idiots because there is a chance of this causing the Toffino... well Ill be an idiot. Also how can you 100% prove this is not the case for every morph?

Some Theories on Genetics:
The Mendel Theory
The Bruce Lowe Theory
Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium Theory
and The Galton Theory

Failing to see what this has to do with anything? We all know mendel, lowe says female quality is more important than male, Hardy-Weinberg states frequencies remain constant in lab conditions, and Galton says more champions in the blood the better the offspring.

Genotype is also used to refer to the pair of alleles present at a single locus. With alleles 'A' and 'a' there are three possible genotypes AA, Aa and aa. With three alleles 1, 2, 3 there are six possible genotypes: 11, 12, 13, 22, 23, 33. First we must appreciate that genes do not act in isolation. The genome in which a genotype is found can affect the expression of that genotype, and the environment can affect the phenotype.

This describes exactly what I have been saying... The albino/toffee locus has 3 alleles we know about, including normal. BEL complex has 10 that we know about. making 55 possible genotypes... what were you getting at. You can still only have 2 sitting there at a time.

Never heard of Linked Traits?
Linked Traits or Linkage Loci that are very close together on the same chromosome are often "linked". That is, the genetic material "crosses over" in groups and blocks of amino acids (rather than completely randomly) and the linked alleles are very likely to be transferred to the offspring together as a "team". The closer the loci are to each other on the chromosome, the less likely the "team" will be broken up. The farther away the loci are... the more likely the "team" will be broken up. Loci that are on different chromosomes are not considered "linked".

Which may describe some of the stuff going on at NERD. I still don't see the connection on the topic. Whats your theory?

Epistasis Refers to the condition where the genotype at one locus has a direct effect on the expression (phenotype) of the gene pair/alleles at a different locus. Typically... the instructions at one gene locus masks or overrides the instructions at another. The locus that masks another is called the Epistatic locus. The locus that is masked, or overridden, is referred to as the Hypostatic locus.

This doesn't make any sense to me, it seems like your suggestion the toffee gene overides the albino gene, but then it would still require the toffee gene to express itself in the heterozygous form and only do it when the albino gene is present. Again what are the chances of this? Ill continue to be an idiot.

Quite frankly your attacks bore me. You seam to be one of those who likes to feel superior by trying to make others seam inferior. It does not work on me.

Hypocritical don't you think?

I guess that all of the ones working this project that are also breeding their het Toffees with Lav and het lavs are just doing those breedings for what?..... just to waste those Lavs for a year or two for nothing? Yea ok I buy that. I am also willing to waste my breeding females for a season or two.

A double homozygous might be pretty sweet don't ya think?

Anyways I am done arguing with you about something Neither of us knows for sure of what’s going on. It's pointless. I really hate the fact that you have turned it into this and that I have entertained it. I will not post further on this subject Thank you very much. Bye- bye now have a great day!

Hey Reread the thread and look who started the attack... but I welcome you to a civil discussion and elaborate on what you posted above. Finally got something out of you other than "because I said so"