Ball considered A "large snake"?

[RetiredJedi]

Again, I think the key part of this is the fact that you own the house and are renting the property it's on so the landlord can come on the land but not in your personnel property. It's like having a gun in the house in a drawer being fine but the minute you start waving it around outside you got problems. I'm not comparing snakes to guns but you know what I mean. How about walking around naked in your being ok but doing it outside is a no no.

[lasweetswan]

FALSE. NO ONE is permitted to walk into a apartment or House period with out warrant or unless someone is home.

Just cause a contract is signed and your renting, does not make the management above the law and just walk right into someones home. notice needs be given when its to take place and someone MUST be present to let them in.

Keys are given in the case you lock yourself out of the rented apartment. This gives them access to letting you in and for legal purposes. Eviction notices are done thought the court systems, so they cant walk right in with out legal paperwork stating they can.

I wish I would have known this when I was younger. My toilet somehow flooded when I was renting an apartment about 8 years ago and the apartment manager walked right into my apartment, into my bedroom and woke me from my sleep. The flooding had caused water to seep into the apartment below me.

I thought that broke rules on numerous levels, but I was a teenager and didn't care that much. Not that it matters now...

[RichsBallPythons]

I wish I would have known this when I was younger. My toilet somehow flooded when I was renting an apartment about 8 years ago and the apartment manager walked right into my apartment, into my bedroom and woke me from my sleep. The flooding had caused water to seep into the apartment below me.

I thought that broke rules on numerous levels, but I was a teenager and didn't care that much. Not that it matters now...

Actually given the LL laws, they ARE permitted to come in when emergencies like that happen. Floods damage property and they need to stop the leak. Same goes for smoke and or fire, its considered an emergency and they can enter no notice.

Any other time would be unlawful

[Kingofspades]

Would you all consider a ball python to be a "Large snake"?

Reason I am asking is I have a hatchling coming to me soon. My wife told a neighbor about it and that neighbor told the management where I live & now I got a notice on the door quoting the rules & a rude note saying if I have broken the rules I will be forced to move.

So here is the rule in question:
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A housepet is defined as a pet that spends it's primary existence within the home. Exotic (Large snakes, Iguanas, poisonous spiders, ferrets, wild, farm animals or potentially dangerous pets are not allowed under any condition. Some examples of other animals which would not be permitted are" pot bellied pigs, goats, peacocks, chickens, rabbits, macaws, or birds of prey, Pitbulls (American Terrier, Staffordshire Terrier, or any relation thereof) are expressly prohibited.
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Now for me I wouldn't consider a ball to be a large snake, large in my eyes is a burmese sized snake. The rule doesnt say "snakes" it says "large snakes" & being a hatchling she will be what? a foot or so. I so need to get my own house sooner than later..

Anyways what do you all think?

I think if my wife would have just kept her big mouth shut I wouldn't be dealing with it. She said that the kids were sure to tell someone & then would be here anyways. I of course can deny the existence of the snake and just hide it. Not like they can walk into my house and search it for a snake.

I'll never understand why people can't mind their own d*mn business and have to go tattling about stuff that doesn't concern them.

No, a ball python is not a large snake. Fight it.

[dragonmoon]

I agree the only issue is the fighting whether a ball python is a large snake... they cannot win an argument legally saying they meant no snakes as you specifically signed a document saying no LARGE snakes.... Just start getting your documents in order If your local zoo has a reptile section get the head of the department to sign a statement along the lines of saying a ball is not a large snake..... The more documented support you have the better if the park owner wants to make it a legal issue

[mommanessy247]

wow i didnt mean to spark a big ol debate over the issues of management entering a rented property with or without the tenants permission. i know my info cuz i've had management of several places flat out tell me that they can and will, if they deem fit, enter the apartment. i've been given the minimum 24 hr notices and ive also had them pop up for random inspections.
i agree however that just cuz they think they can doesnt mean they should.

now timNA - i know you feel its within your rights to own a snake and your most likely right but...the person that snitched to the management said they were gonna do everything in their power to make it so you couldnt have the snake. are you really prepared to go through that cuz the management will take their side over yours if the other tenant raises a big enough fuss.
it sucks. its not fair. i know.
renting a place does not = no rights but sometimes it seems that way.

[RichsBallPythons]

wow i didnt mean to spark a big ol debate over the issues of management entering a rented property with or without the tenants permission. i know my info cuz i've had management of several places flat out tell me that they can and will, if they deem fit, enter the apartment. i've been given the minimum 24 hr notices and ive also had them pop up for random inspections.
i agree however that just cuz they think they can doesnt mean they should.

now timNA - i know you feel its within your rights to own a snake and your most likely right but...the person that snitched to the management said they were gonna do everything in their power to make it so you couldnt have the snake. are you really prepared to go through that cuz the management will take their side over yours if the other tenant raises a big enough fuss.
it sucks. its not fair. i know.
renting a place does not = no rights but sometimes it seems that way.

The OP in NOT renting, he is paying for a home he OWNS. Therefore can have what he wants INSIDE. Dogs and cats are different story but housed and caged animals are his choice not the Lot owners.

All he pays for is the lot his house he owns is sitting on. The LL will not fight it as its money out of his pocket.

[TimNA]

Yeah, I honestly doubt these people would be willing to fight it out in court. I would think that with the case of the pitbull they could do it & be in the right in doing so persuing a legal case, but they don't & it's been at least 2yrs. I think they will try to intimidate me, threaten me etc but they know they wont really do anything about it.

The funny thing is the one who snitched is like a grandma to me.. She & I get a long very well so it's odd she would go there first instead of asking me about it or voicing her concerns. It's not like she will be around the snake, granted she does come over daily but she would have never known it was here. I actually baby sat an adult normal ball here about 12yrs ago for over a year, the woman was here like normal didn't ever know it was here. I actually saw her tonight and talked with her & told her about the previous snake she was shocked. I told her she never knew & it never hurt her, scared her or whatever & it would be the same this time around.

I asked the office lady about if she heard from them she said no probably not till Monday or sometime next week. I will just pretend I am not getting it then let things die down a bit & no one will be the wiser I think. Only a few people ever come in my house & I think that # as been reduced by one as of today.

Thanks again everyone! I am new here, and I am really enjoying it here with all the friendly, helpful people.

Tim

[MoshBalls]

FALSE. NO ONE is permitted to walk into a apartment or House period with out warrant or unless someone is home.

Just cause a contract is signed and your renting, does not make the management above the law and just walk right into someones home. notice needs be given when its to take place and someone MUST be present to let them in.

Keys are given in the case you lock yourself out of the rented apartment. This gives them access to letting you in and for legal purposes. Eviction notices are done thought the court systems, so they cant walk right in with out legal paperwork stating they can.

That may be the rules but they are not followed. I lived in an apartment most of my life at many different complexes in Kentucky and as long as they give you 24 hours notice that they will be coming in to inspect or fix something they could come in. However I often found them coming in for other reasons. My mother once woke up from a nap to find the maintenance man in the hallway. They would go in to the apartment to go to the bathroom. A big no, no but it does happen. The worst part is the same complex ended up having a sex offender as a maintenance man. They fired him when they realized but the point is they didn't do proper background investigations prior to giving the guy a key to all the units (over 100 units). All I can say as I am glad to no longer have to rent.

[cgracie77]

From my experiance, and in MHO . Balls are cnsidered as a medium sized snake. And far from dangerous. A small snake is the lines of a garter, or northern brown snakes, which max at about 18 inc. Balls and the likes in the under 6foot range are med. Those larger are large snakes. But when it comes to the lease issue, you may be held to interpretation of the lease agent. And if they feel that it is a "large" snake you may be out of room to fight.

Good luck and hope all goes well. Remember that a cool head and clear thoughts usualy speak louder then speaking out of anger.