Thanx I do appreciate the advice!! I think I am going to keep trying for rat I will get a new frozen mouse maybe I need a fresh one to really sent the rats I think i will buy some smaller rats and feed him a couple until he gets the "taste" of them I just hate that he isnt eating lately and even when he was it was a 30 min to hour process of trying to convince him to take the rat! sometimes he "kills" the F/T and leaves it Then I re-heat and re-sent and he "kills" it all over again finally he eats (for the most part) but the last few feeds got harder and he refused I hope he is good and hungry when I feed again Wish me luck