Safe this bee in China. Please !

[kitedemon]

The answer is easy all morphs of everything carry a genetic concern so don't buy and morphs of anything. Then you will not be supporting questionable genetic practice.

[LizardPants]

If you feel so strongly about that, maybe you should remove your Gandhi quote.

[LizardPants]

The answer is easy all morphs of everything carry a genetic concern so don't buy and morphs of anything. Then you will not be supporting questionable genetic practice.

Maybe so, but not all morphs have neurological disorders.

[llovelace]

If you feel so strongly about that, maybe you should remove your Gandhi quote.

Really?

[rabernet]

So it's all about the money for you Rich? Get a kid addicted to meth/crack/cocain and he'll be your customer for life. Does that make it ok to sell drugs to kids (or anyone)?

Rich, apparently you and I have our differences, personally I take it with a grain of salt; but we shouldn't hijack this guys thread to have it out. Maybe we should start a LizardPants VS. RichsBallPythons thread.

That type of thread is exactly why we have a Quarantine room - take it there.

As for the comparison to selling drugs - that's a ridiculous comparison. I have spiders, I love spiders, and I will breed spider and spider combinations for MY pleasure. If I happen to have some animals that other buyers may want, then I'm happy to provide them for them - with full disclosure about the spider wobble.

There's no need to demonize those of us who have chosen to work with them, just because you've chosen not to. That's well within your right. But it's not within your right to insist that others share your opinion and if they don't they are likened to a drug dealer.

[vegastoy]

My spider does the same thing especially when stressed out. Cure the mites and make sure it is left alone for a few weeks until it is used to it's enclosure and it ill calm down a lot. The upside down part will remain tho. Make sure you DO NOT feed live unless absolutely necessary as they will put themselves in danger trying to eat with the wobble that bad.

[J.Vandegrift]

Back to the mite issue. As others have said soaking will do nothing to get rid of them. It will provide some temporary relief at best. You really need to either get prevent a mite or, if you can't get prevent a mite fast enough, Lice Bedding spray will work just as well. I don't know if there are walmarts in china, but something like this with the active ingredient 0.50% Permethrin is what you want: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-Lic...-5-oz/10324555

I wouldn't worry too much about the wobble. It sucks that he got a bad wobbler, but if he chooses the keep spiders it is something that he will have to deal with. From his size, it's obvious that he has been eating so I am sure once he gets the mites taken care of he will eat just fine for them

[kitedemon]

Maybe so, but not all morphs have neurological disorders.

That we know of, don't get me wrong I understand your point but most morphs are genetically compromised. Breeding back is not the way to good genetics period. There are so many inheritable traits that are completely ignored temperament is genetically traceable do you see anyone breeding a calm easy going snake to another calm easy going snake rather than the flighty high strung snakes?

So you won't support spiders how about poor feeders and nervous animals too, your statements have been very aggressive that is fine no problem from me but where does it end. OK no spiders, I get it. oh but this line of ___ is poor feeders them too? There is much more to genetics than a wobbles. I almost agree with you, I love my spider, he has very little wobble. But doing it again I might have gone pinstripe. That is my choice I don't place that on anyone else. You are, so where does it stop any genetic flaw... albinos are light sensitive... Leucistic is missing key Chromatephores that makes it prone to UV damage. That also is a flaw. What you have started and by your logic we'd have Mojave, Chocolates, Cinnamons, reduced, stripes, and normals. That is about it, they have occurred naturally and have come in in numbers over the years and are not traced back to one or two genetic odd balls. All spiders are related somewhere down the line, I hope that someone will eventually be able to breed it out to some extent but it is a deep imperative as all spiders have the same trait. So I put it to you, give up all morphs but for a very few that are essentially variations on normal? Or keep the morphs and accept that some have genetic issues that go along with it. My issues are not that a spider has a wobble, but that to what extent is made aware before purchase. I was told very accurately what and how much of a wobble there was before I bought the animal, that is fair.

[MikeV]

So it's all about the money for you Rich? Get a kid addicted to meth/crack/cocain and he'll be your customer for life. Does that make it ok to sell drugs to kids (or anyone)?

Rich, apparently you and I have our differences, personally I take it with a grain of salt; but we shouldn't hijack this guys thread to have it out. Maybe we should start a LizardPants VS. RichsBallPythons thread.

Okay, allow me to break this down for you in a way that somebody so ridiculously outrageous such as yourself could understand:

1. A genetic, UNINTENDED neurological disorder in an animal is about 600 million light years away in comparison to somebody doing or dealing DRUGS

2. If other people work with the spider gene, it doesn't make them a bad person or breeder.

IT IS A SNAKE it most certainly doesn't know it has a problem. Think about it... if you were born as a spider ball python.. would you know that you are any differen't from the others in the species?

No you wouldn't. because snakes.. I hate to say it.. are relatively simple in the head. do you know what im saying? they aren't too smart.

So... if the snake is healthy but has a little wobble, and it has NO IDEA that its any differen't from any other snake... then whats the problem

No, the problem is that you see the odd spider die from a severe wobble and assume thats the norm

No man....


thats all I have to say. your attitude and your terrible logic makes me wonder if you are one of the many trolls that have been feasting on this website lately.

Im done now. have a great day

[kitedemon]

Back to the mite issue. As others have said soaking will do nothing to get rid of them.

Mites drown in water, if my guess is correct the importing from the US to communist China is a problem. Soaking in soapy water with intensive enclosure cleaning and the surrounding area. Mites drown and adults need to lay eggs if you drown the adults and kill all the eggs and adults and make sure that they cannot return will get rid of all the mites. It takes a lot of work and effort everyday with out fail. Remember let things dry out some Mites NEED water the snake can manage in drier than normal conditions for the 7 day life cycle of a mite.

Permethrin is a poison, it works but if you can only get higher % than 0.5% you run a serious risk of poisoning the animal. If you cannot get P-A-M and do not have the correct instructions ask before you use it to get exact instructions here. I have seen lice treatment s in Turkey that were 8% Permethrin so be very very careful that you do not have anything that strong! Check the label carefully!!!