ohhh i talked to fish expert again today,before you drop a veggie in the tank with your fish that is bad.its good for "fishless cycling"but not when your fish is in there.the vege trick is to help create ammonia but if you have a fish already in there he creates the ammonia..

but i will use the vege "fishless cycling" technique in when i get the new tank before i put doc in.
thanks again tho foschi