Quote Originally Posted by BPelizabeth View Post
Yea try being out on the lake when that happens. Its called chummin ew...

Sorry for the thread jack.

If I may step in here.....I don't think Jim was at all trying to attack you. I think he was wondering why you chose that paticular gun when there are others out there that might do a better job. And you answered .....its the money...and I totally get that as well as I think Jim does too. I think you both need to be nice to each other and stop saying mean things before I get the chi chick gun out. Totally kidding you guys. Just be nice and realize you both have a passion for at least a couple of the same things.
Sorry, but what I was saying is that he sold an AR because it didn't shoot well enough out to 1000 yards, then he goes out and buys a VTR. A rifle that isn't capable of shooting that distance. He could have spent far less money on the AR and had a better shooing rifle than he will be able to do with the VTR. His first post states that he sold the AR because it wasn't good enough at shooting out to 1000 yards, so he bought a $600 Remington 700 VTR, making us all believe that that was a better 1000 yard shooter than the AR. I call Bull on his story.

How do you build a 1000 yard shooter from a hunting rifle? Build a better trigger? How about $300-$700. Free float the barrel? $100-$300. Even if it can be done. The shape of the barrel tends to make me think it would be difficult. Oh, then you have the barrel. The existing barrel is a hunting barrel, could not be made to work out to 1000 yards. It was never built for that kind of accuracy. Never happen. First the triangle barrel will cool more on the tips of the triangle, never allowing consistant shots. The dimension of the barrel will never allow for consistant shots. Not to mention the built in brake. If he changes the barrel, will he be able to find a barrel maker that can make this type of barrel with the proper twist rate? Maybe, but I bet you it would cost an arm and a leg.

He's got less than $1000 into his new rifle and scope. I'm saying that shooting out to 1000 yards would encompass buying scope which would cost much more than his total cost for his present rifle and scope, not to mention the cost rebuilding of the firearm.

Remember, 1000 yards is a half of a mile PLUS another 360 feet or 120 yards.

He could have bought a Savage 10 fb and had twice the rifle for about the same price. A little polishing of the trigger along with the factory adjustable trigger, he could have had a 1.5 lb trigger with a pretty clean break. The savage already comes with a nice heavy bull barrel, one that shoot out to 600 yards straight out of the box. The barrel is free floated right out of the box too.

For $2000, he could have had a pretty nice 600 yard gun. 1000 yard guns cost much more than that. The scope for a 1000 yard gun cost 3 times what he paid for his entire set up, so what make him think that a $600 gun is going to shoot accurately that far. The physics don't lie. The VTR is in fact a hunting rifle that can be used for target shooting. well so can a Marlin Model 60. So can any rifle, but to claim that it's going to be a 1000 yard shooter is not realistic.

For this gun to be considered a decent 1000 yard shooter, the gun would have to be considered an moa (minute of angle) rifle, which means every shot would land within an than 1 inch of each other for every 100 yards. So at 1000 yards he'd have to get every shot within a 10 inch circle. Agains, that one half mile, PLUS an additonal 360 feet or 120 yards.

Kind of like saying a Piper 182 is your new super sonic airplane or that you can build it to be that fast. or a Wellcraft cuddy is your new off shore speed boat, or that you're going to build it to go that fast.

Sorry for the rantings,
Jim Smith