Out with the old / in with the new. (Sniper Rifle)

[j_h_smith]

Ohhhhh a shooting match!





Jim you go to Camp Perry?

Been there a few times. Lately I like Knob Creek, I don't need great eyesight to shoot class III weapons. I can't get enough of sending gobs of ammo down range. Gotta love the Big Dogs and their firearms. I have personally seen one guy bring $30k worth of ammo and had to buy more while he was there.

As far as Camp Perry, it was a good time. Since my diabetes has gotten worse, I don't have the eyesight to shoot any longer than 200 yards. I got started years ago when I met Gunny Hathcock in Virginia. His boy is just like him, a real gentleman. I wish Carlos had more time on this Earth. He was a unique guy.

I also know Orest Micheals, COO of the CMP. Why is it that there are so many great guys representing the shooting sports.

I also like to go to bowling pin shoots. I also teach. I'm a lifetime member of the NRA as well as a few other groups that represent the shooting sports and my 2nd Amendment rights.

Other than that, I don't know much about firearms.
Jim Smith

[Darkice]

Been there a few times. Lately I like Knob Creek, I don't need great eyesight to shoot class III weapons. I can't get enough of sending gobs of ammo down range. Gotta love the Big Dogs and their firearms. I have personally seen one guy bring $30k worth of ammo and had to buy more while he was there.

As far as Camp Perry, it was a good time. Since my diabetes has gotten worse, I don't have the eyesight to shoot any longer than 200 yards. I got started years ago when I met Gunny Hathcock in Virginia. His boy is just like him, a real gentleman. I wish Carlos had more time on this Earth. He was a unique guy.

I also know Orest Micheals, COO of the CMP. Why is it that there are so many great guys representing the shooting sports.

I also like to go to bowling pin shoots. I also teach. I'm a lifetime member of the NRA as well as a few other groups that represent the shooting sports and my 2nd Amendment rights.

Other than that, I don't know much about firearms.
Jim Smith

If your so well trained and an instructor why do you need to jump down my throat and belittle my rifle when its what i can afford. If i were rich i would buy a CheyTac 408.
Yes there are Way better long range rifles out there and no my wife will not let me have them. I have to make due with what i have. And No my rifle would not shoot accurately at 1000 yards out of the box. But it will when i'm done with it. As for the competitions i only did them while i was in the Marines. My 1000 yard groupings were all done with a 50 and that's a different animal.

I've come to the conclusion that you are just a mean person with an overinflated sense of accomplishment and nobody can do anything as good as you.
I just hope you dont troll your students like you troll this forum. If you do i fell sorry for them.

[j_h_smith]

I sold my DPMS panther because it wasn't all that accurate at 1000 yards. My new one? Gigidy gigidy.

OLD panther.
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NEW REMINGTON 700 VTR-308
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If your so well trained and an instructor why do you need to jump down my throat and belittle my rifle when its what i can afford. If i were rich i would buy a CheyTac 408.
Yes there are Way better long range rifles out there and no my wife will not let me have them. I have to make due with what i have. And No my rifle would not shoot accurately at 1000 yards out of the box. But it will when i'm done with it. As for the competitions i only did them while i was in the Marines. My 1000 yard groupings were all done with a 50 and that's a different animal.

I've come to the conclusion that you are just a mean person with an overinflated sense of accomplishment and nobody can do anything as good as you.
I just hope you dont troll your students like you troll this forum. If you do i fell sorry for them.

So, which is it? Did you shoot the AR at 1000 yards or not? Seems like you said in one post your AR didn't shoot well enough at 1000 yards, then you say you haven't shot anything but the 50 bmg at 1000 yards and that was while you were in the military. So which is it?

Your rifle will never be a 1000 yard shooter, no matter what you do to it. It's just not that type of firearm. It's a hunting rifle and a good 100 yard shooter, maybe 200 yards with the right kind of work done to it. It takes a lot of money just to make a decent 600 yard rifle. Open sight shooting at 200 yards is tough enough, 600 yards is a great deal harder, but at 1000 yards, you've got to be a special shooter and have a great rifle and even better glass.

You do realize that a 1000 yards is 3000 feet? More than a half of a mile. Actually .568 of a mile. That's a half of a mile, then add another 120 yards. You want me to believe that a $600 gun is capable of shooting 1000 yards?

Sorry but it's just not possible,
Jim Smith

ps To everyone reading this thread. I'm sorry, but the fabrication of his story isn't realistic.

[Darkice]

So, which is it? Did you shoot the AR at 1000 yards or not? Seems like you said in one post your AR didn't shoot well enough at 1000 yards, then you say you haven't shot anything but the 50 bmg at 1000 yards and that was while you were in the military. So which is it?

Your rifle will never be a 1000 yard shooter, no matter what you do to it. It's just not that type of firearm. It's a hunting rifle and a good 100 yard shooter, maybe 200 yards with the right kind of work done to it. It takes a lot of money just to make a decent 600 yard rifle. Open sight shooting at 200 yards is tough enough, 600 yards is a great deal harder, but at 1000 yards, you've got to be a special shooter and have a great rifle and even better glass.

You do realize that a 1000 yards is 3000 feet? More than a half of a mile. Actually .568 of a mile. That's a half of a mile, then add another 120 yards. You want me to believe that a $600 gun is capable of shooting 1000 yards?

Sorry but it's just not possible,
Jim Smith

ps To everyone reading this thread. I'm sorry, but the fabrication of his story isn't realistic.

Some info on the standard off the shelf 308 federal.

308, Federal GM308M, 168 gr., 2600 ft/s, 4988 yards, 81 ft-lbs

So what your saying is that a round that normally goes about 5000 yards on its own nobody in the world can hit a target at only 1000 yards?

And one of your questions was about competition shooting. I have only shot the 50 in competitions. And that was at 1000 yards.

I just don't understand why you have to attack me because i'm building a 1000 yard gun out of a VTR.
Just because it's not the gun you would have chosen because your overburdened with money doesn't mean it wont work. I say it will and i'm willing to prove it

[j_h_smith]

Some info on the standard off the shelf 308 federal.

308, Federal GM308M, 168 gr., 2600 ft/s, 4988 yards, 81 ft-lbs

The ammo is by far the least of the equation. Custom made ammo is still only as good as the rifle and the person squeezing the trigger.

Your facts listed does not assume the round will be aimed and shot at a target. This is the effective range. How far it will go down range before gravity acts on the bullet to pull it to the gound. Plus we're talking about the round and not the rifle. BIG difference.

Okay, maybe you won't listen to me, but how about a group of long range shooters that do this kind of stuff every weekend.

http://www.snipercentral.com/308.htm

How about 230 inches of bullet drop when using the current US military sniper ammo-M118? That's almost 20 feet of bullet drop.

More so, 108 inches of wind drift with a 10 mile per hour breeze using the same ammo listed above. That's 9 feet of drift.

So what your saying is that a round that normally goes about 5000 yards on its own nobody in the world can hit a target at only 1000 yards?

Where did I say that no one could shoot that distance? Sure it can be done (albeit from a very small percentage of the worlds population)

But imagine, they're using a custom rifle, not a Remington VTR. They started with a much more expensive rifle, put thousands of dollars into the rifle with upgrades and custom parts. Added a $2500-$3500 scope. Then the shooter himself has to do their part, shoot under MOA. They train for months at a time and shoots these distance for years with a rifle that if bought in the real world would proably cost $10k.

And one of your questions was about competition shooting. I have only shot the 50 in competitions. And that was at 1000 yards.

Where and when would you shoot a 50 bmg in a competition while in the military?
The only place I know of is at the Top Sniper competitions, then you would have to be a qualified sniper and I know that's not true by your selection of the VTR.

I just don't understand why you have to attack me because i'm building a 1000 yard gun out of a VTR.

I'm not attacking you first off. I'm calling you out on your first post where you say that the AR wasn't good enough for you to shoot out to 1000 yards, so you go out and buy a Remington VTR. You indicate that this is your new 1000 yard shooter, you didn't say that this was the platform to build your new 1000 yard shooter. Neither of your guns are capable of hitting cloth out at 1000 yards accurately, particluarly with the glass you have mounted on either of the firearms. You probably couldn't see the target at 1000 yards with either scope.

Just because it's not the gun you would have chosen because your overburdened with money doesn't mean it wont work. I say it will and i'm willing to prove it

This statement is tends to make me think that you've never shot anything at 1000 yards. I can build a skateboard to break the sound barrier at Bonneville too. Just because I say I can, doesn't make it a true fact. Your rifle is incapable of shooting out to 1000 yards accurately.

If you don't mind, tell me what parts you're going to use and what modifications your going to do?

If you could, tell me what scope you have on this rifle at this present time?
Also which scope will you be installing on this rifle to make it a 1000 yard shooter?

When your wife gives you permission to buy a real target rifle, at least start out with a Savage 10fb. Oh wait, you could have bought that rifle instead of the VTR. Never mind!

Jim Smith

[PitOnTheProwl]

I'm a lifetime member of the NRA

Not to jump into ya'lls lets see whos bigger competition BUT this is something I would NOT be proud to shout out anymore. They are not and do not represent what they use to be. Was a member for over 15 years then I had my eyes opened a little Wouldnt surprise me if you didnt have you 2nd by the end of this term

Distance shooting is nice but I stick with the real world and close quarters combat. I'm just fine with my 9mm, 12ga, or 7.62x54r. Yes I did type that right, 7.62x54r.

[j_h_smith]

Not to jump into ya'lls lets see whos bigger competition BUT this is something I would NOT be proud to shout out anymore. They are not and do not represent what they use to be. Was a member for over 15 years then I had my eyes opened a little Wouldnt surprise me if you didnt have you 2nd by the end of this term

Distance shooting is nice but I stick with the real world and close quarters combat. I'm just fine with my 9mm, 12ga, or 7.62x54r. Yes I did type that right, 7.62x54r.

How about JPFO? Maybe not as mainstream, but still a cool organization.

Jim Smith