Do some genetic traits totally overpower others?

[Herp Hugger]

I have been told that a blue/black eyed leucistic is the highest you can get on the genetic chain so to speak. In other words, any morph bred into a pure white snake will remain a pure white snake.

Not that I doubt it but why would this be true? Will certain dom/co-dom traits totally overpower other traits and is there any way to predict this?

[wax32]

It's not totally true. Super fires sometimes have colors and when you add pastel they look different.... I'm sure there will be other exceptions soon as more combos are made.

[Freakie_frog]

There are some traits that tend to show through no matter what they ar mixed with. Things like the pinstripe, champagne. Those two just leap to mind with recessives it's hard to cover them up.


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[angllady2]

Now that doesn't make any sense to me at all.

A BEL is the super form of Lesser, Butter and Mojave, as well as combos of these morphs.

If you breed a super lesser to a normal, you'll get lessers and normals. Same thing with a super butter or super mojave. Breed any of those to a normal, and you'll get normals and the individual morphs.

If you have a combo BEL like lesser/mojave and breed that to a normal, you'll get lessers and mojaves.

So how do they figure you can breed a BEL to anything and produce all BEL's ? Only by breeding one BEL to another BEL will you produce all BEL's.

Or are they saying once you reach the BEL stage, anything else ADDED to the BEL won't show?

I'm confused.

Gale

[Subdriven]

Now that doesn't make any sense to me at all.

A BEL is the super form of Lesser, Butter and Mojave, as well as combos of these morphs.

If you breed a super lesser to a normal, you'll get lessers and normals. Same thing with a super butter or super mojave. Breed any of those to a normal, and you'll get normals and the individual morphs.

If you have a combo BEL like lesser/mojave and breed that to a normal, you'll get lessers and mojaves.

So how do they figure you can breed a BEL to anything and produce all BEL's ? Only by breeding one BEL to another BEL will you produce all BEL's.

Or are they saying once you reach the BEL stage, anything else ADDED to the BEL won't show?

I'm confused.

Gale

I think the question was if you could add more genes to a BEL and still see it.. It seems to dpend on HOW you make the bel. super mojave pastel is supposed to look different. And remember both potions are acualy a mix of 2 BEL genes.

Any BEL breed to a normal will make 0% normals. If it is a super form of 1 gene then all the offspring will be the non super version, if the bel is made with 2 genes it will be 50/50 mix of those genes.

[Herp Hugger]

I think the question was if you could add more genes to a BEL and still see it..

Yes that was the question. I was putting together some future breeding plans and was thinking of trying for a Super Butter Genetic Stripe. Since the Super Butter is a BEL, would the Gen. Stripe trait even show?

I dream big.

[angllady2]

DUH! You are right of course, any single gene super will create only single gene copies of itself, the double gene BEL will produce half of each.

Sometimes I wonder about me!

Gale

[cinderbird]

DUH! You are right of course, any single gene super will create only single gene copies of itself, the double gene BEL will produce half of each.

Sometimes I wonder about me!

Gale

The definition of super means you get no normals in a clutch.

If the father animal is a BEL (of any combination) and the mother is a normal, EVERY offspring gets one copy of the gene from dad, and one from mom. So... one (lesser, mojave, russo het leuscistic, etc, etc, etc gene) and one normal gene (from mom). No normals.

Even if the bel is made up of (mojave and lesser) every offspring gets either a lesser gene or a mojave gene (in this case). The bel doesn't have a normal gene option to pass on.

Same thing if one parent is a:
-super pastel
-bel (blue or black eyed)
-super cinnamon
-etc
-etc
-etc

Also happens with recessives

[Blue Apple Herps]

Well albino BEL have been produced and they actually show some pattern. I don't think enough BEL + other gene animals have been made to know for sure one way or the other.

[mainbutter]

I totally understand what the OP is getting at.

Yes, I completely understand the idea that having one particular trait that is SO extreme that it may not be worth the effort to make certain combos with it.

I use the world "extreme" to indicate a trait that looks REALLY REALLY different from a normal BP. I think that most people would agree that a hypo looks more like a normal than an albino, for example.

BELs and [/b]champagnes[/b] have been mentioned.

Others that I consider to be "extreme" are albino, lavender albino, and super cinny/black pastel

Albinos are extreme enough that IMO breeders are careful what combos they attempt to make, because the result MAY NOT be worth the effort of working recessive traits in with other traits. Because the albino trait is SO distinct with essentially a two-color palette, it's not hard to understand the argument that this particular trait plays best with pattern traits and less so with color traits. I don't think anyone will challenge the fact that a pinstripe albino looks MORE different than a "regular albino" than the difference between a pastel albino and a "regular albino".

I'm not saying that more "extreme" traits aren't worth working with. I'm not saying that "extreme traits" are not worth making combos of. I'm saying that some combos are less distinct from a base trait than other combos, particularly with more "extreme" traits.