Black Pastel or Cinny???

[K2exotics]

I have both - and a really nice black pastel is in a league of its own.

I've always preferred cinnie's. This is mine.

Got him breeding to a nice black back female this year.

I love his stripe along his neck, he is beautiful!!

This is my Cinny female from Emilio ( Villarino Reptiles) I love how bright she is:

[Gloryhound]

We have both in our collection. Cinnamon was first discovered by Greg Graziani (2002) and the Black pastel was BHB. Kevin McCurley says in his book the complete ball python that they are similar traits from a separate, distinct blood line. In our attempt to reduce the sign of Duck Bill in the super we are actually crossing the two in hopes of making a super this year. The cinnamon has more red in its color than the black pastel does. We like both and plan to work both into several projects in the future. I would be hard pressed to limit myself to one or the other as the results of pewters and cinnabee/black bee are all different. I think you have to look at each animal individually and make up your mind that way. We are currently selectively breeding in the hopes of eventually ending up with a solid black back on our cinnies.

Our 2010 baby.

[Ladybugzcrunch]

once you see enuff of them its impossible not to be able to tell them apart thats if your looking at good reps of the morph......
my cinny female with awesome ringer she is 500and some odd grams now

What do you mean by "ringer". I keep reading that but have not been told what it means.

[Ladybugzcrunch]

I have both - and a really nice black pastel is in a league of its own.

I've always preferred cinnie's. This is mine.

Got him breeding to a nice black back female this year.

I like that stripe a lot too.

[MakiMaki]

I have both - and a really nice black pastel is in a league of its own.

I've always preferred cinnie's. This is mine.

Got him breeding to a nice black back female this year.

That's a gorgeous cinnie. Robin, I don't think you've posted a pic yet of your snakes that I haven't liked.

[MakiMaki]

What do you mean by "ringer". I keep reading that but have not been told what it means.

A snake with a ringer has a white area with otherwise normal body coloration. This is a photo of a normal female of mine with a ringer by its tail.

[wax32]

That's a nice ringer there Maki.

[Domepiece]

I just had this same dilemma a few months back. I chose a pair of black pastels because I think they look cleaner and I liked the super form better but its all just personal preference. Here are some pics of mine.
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...1981/003-1.jpg
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/...ce1981/009.jpg

[Domepiece]

I have both - and a really nice black pastel is in a league of its own.

I've always preferred cinnie's. This is mine.

Got him breeding to a nice black back female this year.

WOW! That is the best looking cinny that I have ever seen. Who did you get it from if you dont mind me asking? I'd like to get one of those for myself.banana:[

[seeya205]

Some het Pieds have rings which lets you know it's a true het! Here is a good example of a ringer: