Thanks for the input i brought 3packs of adult mice.I opened one pack (just to check if every thing was good) they look pretty clean its just one of the mice was missing a few toes (should i be worried about that?).As for rodentpro.com i hear about them a lot and only good things its just they ship a lot of mice/rats at a time and my parents will not be to happy about the frozen rat shelf in the freezer.I will try and get a mini fridge for my room.For now gourmet rodent is good the packages the mice come in are rather small so its easy to store in the freezer and really does not take up any space at all.