A big statement about CAMARILLO/CARAMEL/ULTRAMEL/CRIDER BALLS

[Serpent_Nirvana]

Man, I had to read that post, like, six times to figure out what you were asking.

I think I get your question though ... And I get why you're confused.

My understanding, based on reading all the links you provided, is this:

There are two different morphs out there, each with a few different founding bloodlines. The two different morphs are called caramel (also known as xanthic, or caramel albino, or T+ albino) and ultramel (also known as Crider).

On this thread that you posted:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-a-crider-ball

Ryan Young explains that the original Crider ball was mixed up with the caramel. This is why the whole thing on Vin Russo's site gets pretty confusing.

My understanding is, the "Bell Line Caramel" that Vin Russo is referencing on his website, and in that photograph, is actually a Crider/ultramel.

However, the Bells ALSO have a line of actual caramel albino, which is the same morph as the NERD line caramel pictured in that photograph. (It is also the same as the Malsin line caramel, VPI line caramel, etc., etc. -- those are all compatible with each other.)

Generally, when people refer to "Bell line caramels," they are referring to a regular caramel albino, but on that webpage, Vin Russo is using the term to refer to what we usually call an "Ultramel/Crider."

... Does that sound right, or did I just confused myself?