I have spent whole day searching the internet for the caramel/ultramel/crider balls info.

Starting with this http://www.cuttingedgeherp.com/pytho...ythons&UID=121 I also started wondering about...

...about what is really going on.

Depending on Vin Russo info:

"There appears to be two Caramels forms out there. One has a Root Beer type of color with orange highlights & this one seems to be the older or original trait first produced by Kevin McKurley at Nerd back in 1996. The other type is more Orange and was originally produced by Mark Bell back in the late nineties ( some call this line Ultramel )"

he made a Camarillo from puting together these two "lines". Camarillo is a double homozygous of these two then.

Assuming the Bell's line - "some call this line Ultramel" is similar to the originall recent new morph ULTRAMEL.

We can see the ULTRAMEL here http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...02451-Ultramel! and depending on post #26 this is the CRIDER BALL which we can see here http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-a-crider-ball.

This whole thing makes me think that Bell line, ULTRAMEL and CRIDER BALL at least looks very similar... I dont want to say the same...

So my question is - which one is which one ??

Vin Russo's pic leads to the conlcusion:

1 - CAMARILLO
2 - BELL line called ultramel and Crider ball
3 - the original NERD caramel




Moreover when I started to looking for original Bell bloodline the first which I found was this: http://www.constrictors.com/Collecti...allPython.html

Mike Wilbanks also wrote there: "We are working with the Bell line of Caramels."

Comparison of the Bell's caramel (called ultramel) and the Wilbanks caramel which as he wrote shall be the Bell's caramel, they look different... Mike's caramels look more like the number 3 NERD line. So is he wrong...?

On the other hand when I've visited NERD webpage I have feelings that these http://newenglandreptile.com/nerd/in...lt-albino.html looks more like.........

I am a bit confused right now... Can anybody clear my mind and explain which one is which one??