Seems to be a very active topic....

[mainbutter]

Spider wobble... one thing I was told when I first started breeding was the more genetics expressed with the spider the less wobble it would have... like if you bred a really wobbly spider into a lemon blast, and got the a spinner blast, the wobble wouldn't be so bad.... never really believed it... but, what's your take on it?

Lies and marketing, that is all.

[mainbutter]

I think the spider wobble resulted from too much inbreeding of the spider gene. and thats why it is a problem only with the spider gene, so outbreeding the spider gene into other morphs in my opinion should reduce it, however I think that further inbreeding of the spider gene will only exponentially increase the amount of 'wobble' that is expressed. I have not seen the wobble too bad in too many spiders being sold recently tho, which I think is good. My spider doesnt wobble at all, atleast not that I've noticed.

It's been pretty well documented that this is not the case, and that the presence of the spider trait is the only factor in spider wobbling.

If it was a case of inbreeding, then the "normal" siblings to spiders would also wobble.

[rabernet]

I think the spider wobble resulted from too much inbreeding of the spider gene. and thats why it is a problem only with the spider gene, so outbreeding the spider gene into other morphs in my opinion should reduce it, however I think that further inbreeding of the spider gene will only exponentially increase the amount of 'wobble' that is expressed. I have not seen the wobble too bad in too many spiders being sold recently tho, which I think is good. My spider doesnt wobble at all, atleast not that I've noticed.

Spiders are one of the LEAST inbred morphs that there are because it's dominant. All spiders wobble - no matter how many other mutations you breed into it.

Even when I was up at Kevin's he had four or five banger and it was wobbling and he said "as you can see, at least one of the genes is spider from the wobble". This was one of his new creations that he hasn't released all the "ingredients" on yet.

[rabernet]

It's been pretty well documented that this is not the case, and that the presence of the spider trait is the only factor in spider wobbling.

If it was a case of inbreeding, then the "normal" siblings to spiders would also wobble.

Excellent point.

[rabernet]

To all your responses...It was just my opinion of what I thought could have been the source, I havnt researched it so I have no facts, but we all know that inbreeding does occur whether it needs to or not...no need to shoot me down and make me feel dumb.

No one is trying to shoot you down and make you feel dumb. You're not the first person with this "theory". We're simply trying to dispel that myth.

[Powerspythons]

No one is trying to shoot you down and make you feel dumb. You're not the first person with this "theory". We're simply trying to dispel that myth.

Alright so obviously I should have done some google action before coming up with my incorrect opinion...but what's the real cause then!?!?!?!?! Is is like a chromosome imbalance or could it be caused by something like an extra/flawed chromosome(I think that's what causes things like mental retardation and down syndrome)? WHAT IS IT PEOPLE!?!?!

PS. even with the wobble the spider is still the coolest!!IMO

[mainbutter]

It's weird how inter-connected some things in the body can be.

We can't answer your question because no one knows for sure, because at best there are only guesses at what causes the wobble, we can't even really make a good theory on how the wobble and pattern/color change are related.

[jbean7916]

Just from observation of my spider i believe it to be a equilibrium issue as well. It doesn't seem to me that Charlie (my spider) seems to understand that he's upside-down.

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[LeviBP]

Theoretically all things caring the Spider gene, including the Spider of course, wobble. Whether it is noticeable or not, sometimes yes, sometimes no. Mathematically it makes sense that the wobble symptoms would decrease, however this is yet to be genetically proven.

[TessadasExotics]

Spiders are still inbred. That's a fact. Just about all BP's are inbred at some point. Once again, that's a fact.

Wobble doesn’t just mean that the snake will corkscrew or turn upside down. It can be as subtle as a head slightly cocking. Like a dog looking at you will sometimes tilt its head. That slight tilt is also part of the wobble. So far they all have it to some extent to my knowledge.