I've talked with a few people on here about this, I've also talked to a few big breeder about this, and they have some stories like mine, and with the recent "spider wobble" threads, i figure this might be worth publicly talking about.

My observations with my own spider....100% no wobble, she is kept in a rack system with a hide, conditions are standard, stress free as I can make it for her.

Friend of mines story... he produced a fire spider, very minimal wobble, kept in a rack system, good conditions, he sold it, couple months later this snake comes back with the worst wobble I have ever seen in real life, all I could describe it as is just it seemed like it was flipping out constantly, almost like the pearl in MA Balls NERD video (not as bad, but pretty close)

He said the snake came back because of the wobble and it couldn't eat, he also said the snake was kept in poor condition and not taken care of properly, I don't know the details beyond that. magically less than a month of staying at his place, it was back to a minimal wobble, eating fine fire spider.

He also has a couple no wobble spiders and a couple minimal wobble spiders, the untrained eye wouldn't notice anything with any of them.

Also remember people report spider may only show wobble during eating, introduction to other snakes for breeding, and other more than average stress situations.

My theory: The spider wobble is here to stay, it is linked to the gene, but it could possibly be reduce by other factors. I see stress levels might play a big factor in the amount of wobble they show. Also every snake is different, so my setup may not be right for another snake, but I have personally seen how changing homes can bring a minimal wobble, to horrible wobble, to minimal wobble again.

I know this may be a touchy subject, because if someone has a "bad wobbling" spider they may feel like i'm saying their not taking care of their snake correctly. I'm not attacking anyone, there may be spider that will always have the bad wobble, but also it may need extra requirements to feel less stressed, extra hide, more foliage, less foliage (maybe overwhelmed by the things around it), its all theory, but maybe it has merit? Heck maybe the 2 hide, water bowl, cookie cutter setup maybe not be right for every ball python in general, and the spider just show it, each snake is their own. again all theory.

So do you guys have any stories about a spider changing it wobble severeness due to some sort of factor? I know I've talked to some of you through pm, but i'm not gonna call anyone out.