Leucistic Question

[OhhWatALoser]

AFAIK, the only "woma" problem is not with the womas that most people have, but with NERD's "hidden gene" woma (which is NOT in any way related to the more common woma). The homozygous ("super") form of that is called the pearl, and they die shortly after hatching.

NERD hatched a pearl with no problem what so ever, I was told they still have to do more breedings to figure out exactly what they did to make it right, heres a pic i took of it...

[Subdriven]

another all white snake.. lol

[Big Gunns]

I have another question about ball python genetics, I think I stumped a few people on my last thread! Does anyone know if black eye leucistics (super fires) can breed, or are they infertile?

I know that super forms of some genes can cause the animal to be infertile, and I have not heard of anyone breeding a black eye leucistic yet. I was wondering if leucistic x fire would work? I believe this would produce all fires and leucistics.

Any insight into this would be appreciated, thank you

Big Gunns knows for 100% fact that there is no problem with Super Fires.

[Serpent_Nirvana]

NERD hatched a pearl with no problem what so ever, I was told they still have to do more breedings to figure out exactly what they did to make it right, heres a pic i took of it...

Iiiinteresting. I guess it's definitely possible the lethal gene is a recessive that's linked tightly to the HGW, and they finally hit a homozygous HGW that isn't homozygous lethal gene ... I had thought that pearls had at least some pattern and color, though, and that little guy is an all-white snake.

Did Kevin tell you what breeding produced that little guy? I'm not doubting you or him, just thinking -- it seems like so many NERD breedings now involve 5-6 gene combo animals; maybe that guy is actually some other obscure combination of white-snake-makers and not really homozygous woma ...

[RandyRemington]

I wouldn't assume any gender of any morph can reproduce until proven. Likely most will turn out like the older mutations albino and piebald where we now have reports of them reproducing but there might be a few reproductive dud morphs. No particular reason to suspect most morphs but you just don’t know for sure until it’s proven to be ok.

Big Guns, can you confirm both male and female black eyed leucistics have reproduced so we can cross them both off the unproven list?

I'm working with a new line of chocolates but am years away from being able to confirm anything about either gender of super chocolate. Likely most all but the newest morphs have been proven by now but without clutch by clutch info from big breeders other than RDR we’ll have to wait for smaller breeders to grow up most projects and report the results.

[Pals BP]

Big Gunns knows for 100% fact that there is no problem with Super Fires.

Pals BP thinks this is just super!...lol.

I assume you have bred males and females, or know someone who has? Could you shed a little more light on this? Thanks

[OhhWatALoser]

another all white snake.. lol

Iiiinteresting. I guess it's definitely possible the lethal gene is a recessive that's linked tightly to the HGW, and they finally hit a homozygous HGW that isn't homozygous lethal gene ... I had thought that pearls had at least some pattern and color, though, and that little guy is an all-white snake.

Did Kevin tell you what breeding produced that little guy? I'm not doubting you or him, just thinking -- it seems like so many NERD breedings now involve 5-6 gene combo animals; maybe that guy is actually some other obscure combination of white-snake-makers and not really homozygous woma ...

Its not a white snake, the base color is off-white and the pattern is a shade of yellow, the picture doesn't show it well, but you can still see its not a white snake. it doesn't look like a ivory or russo BEL at all.

no he did not tell me what produced it, they said it was a pearl tho, thats all i needed to hear.

[TessadasExotics]

But it's not just a Pearl. It has survived because there was another gene added to the mix, if I remember correctly.

[RandyRemington]

It looks to still be a baby so was it acting different than other pearls at that age and that is why they are hoping it will survive longer?

Several years ago they thought a lesser pearl would survive but I thought I heard later that it didn't. Suppose it's possible another mutation might compensate but seems very unlikely.

[OhhWatALoser]

But it's not just a Pearl. It has survived because there was another gene added to the mix, if I remember correctly.

They don't know, thats why they have to do more breeding to figure out what fixed it.

It looks to still be a baby so was it acting different than other pearls at that age and that is why they are hoping it will survive longer?

Several years ago they thought a lesser pearl would survive but I thought I heard later that it didn't. Suppose it's possible another mutation might compensate but seems very unlikely.

I think it was MA Balls that did a couple videos, which shows Kevin going around showing off a bunch of snakes. He pulls out a pearl and you can see exactly what it does, the snake I took a picuture of was acting 100% normal