Quick genetics question.

[Serpent_Nirvana]

A-yup. If the spider gene is truly dominant, it will have a "super" (homozygous) form that will only throw spiders, but can't be visually distinguished from the regular heterozygous spider.

The other speculation is that it's homozygous lethal, and the homozygous ("super") spiders don't survive.

... And I bet if you do a forum search of the terms "spider homozygous lethal" you will get a few dozen threads on the topic but it's never been proven one way or the other.

[MitsuMike]

The snake world genetics are dumbed down ALOT so people can understand, so to break it down and make it easier:

"Dominant" = A snake that has no super form when bred to the same dominant animal

"Co-Dom" = A snake with a super form when bred back to the same Co-Dom snake

"Recessive" = Is the same as a co-dom animal (punnett square wise) but instead of being visual when it is "het" ,or carries 1/2 the needed genes for the animal to show visual, it is normal in coloration but still carries the gene.

List of animals that are in each category:
http://www.ballpython.ca/genetics.html

[MitsuMike]

A-yup. If the spider gene is truly dominant, it will have a "super" (homozygous) form that will only throw spiders, but can't be visually distinguished from the regular heterozygous spider.

The other speculation is that it's homozygous lethal, and the homozygous ("super") spiders don't survive.

... And I bet if you do a forum search of the terms "spider homozygous lethal" you will get a few dozen threads on the topic but it's never been proven one way or the other.

But there was one thread where BHB thinks there spider is Homozygous, seeing no matter what it always throws spiders. Could be damn good luck or it could be genetic.

[OhhWatALoser]

But there was one thread where BHB thinks there spider is Homozygous, seeing no matter what it always throws spiders. Could be damn good luck or it could be genetic.

Pinstripe not spider

[MitsuMike]

Pinstripe not spider

I know they imported the pin, but I thought it was them (maybe not) that have a spider that always throws spiders. It was the debate that the homo spider was not viable. It might have been NERD, idk.

[Subdriven]

wonder if you can tell a super spider form the amount of wobble.. lol..

[OhhWatALoser]

I know they imported the pin, but I thought it was them (maybe not) that have a spider that always throws spiders. It was the debate that the homo spider was not viable. It might have been NERD, idk.

BHB has a super pin, the super spider , which NERD imported, does not exist or if it does it is not publicly announced. there are 21930485 threads on this, search "homozygous spider" and you can read for hours about all of it.

[rabernet]

I know they imported the pin, but I thought it was them (maybe not) that have a spider that always throws spiders. It was the debate that the homo spider was not viable. It might have been NERD, idk.

No one has a spider that always throws spiders (at least not the "big boys"). I asked Kevin about this specifically back in October when I was up there visiting. He is the originator of the spider and he does not believe that there is such a thing as a super form of the spider, nor does he believe that super spider is lethal. He just believes it simply doesn't exist, nor will it ever exist. We would have seen it by now.

Brian believes he has a homozygous (super) pinstripe that has thrown all pins over many clutches. It looks no different than other pinstripes.

[PitOnTheProwl]

Man I am getting a headache!!! Glad I still have a year to soak all this in

[MitsuMike]

No one has a spider that always throws spiders (at least not the "big boys"). I asked Kevin about this specifically back in October when I was up there visiting. He is the originator of the spider and he does not believe that there is such a thing as a super form of the spider, nor does he believe that super spider is lethal. He just believes it simply doesn't exist, nor will it ever exist. We would have seen it by now.

Brian believes he has a homozygous (super) pinstripe that has thrown all pins over many clutches. It looks no different than other pinstripes.

Dang I could have sworn it was a super spider. I guess I'm just going crazy.
As for the statement that the super spider will never exist, that is pretty much genetically impossible. At some point a homo spider exist. Weather it be a dead baby in an egg, a baby that didn't fully develop and molded,a baby who died soon after birth, or an animal in a collection somewhere. The animal has to exist, now proving it to exist is a different story. But without faith, wishes or dreams, what do we have?