Lemon pastel?

[rabernet]

I personally do not care for Lemon, Grazani, SKS, NERD or any "line". "Line" to me is just another word for "inbreed".

And I do not care for inbreeding. Yes, it happens, but "out of site, out of mind"

So I skip right over the ones labeled "lemon", NERD or any "line"

Give me the one who was not breed to its mother 10 times just to get a little brighter yellow.

How is a NERD Lemon (or any other "line"), that is most likely being bred to selectively picked normals or other mutations considered inbred?

Lines are established by very selectively chosing what they are bred to, to enhance the morph.

My NERD Lemon has always been bred to carefully selected normals when I want to make more Lemons - none related to him, and has produced babies even nicer than him BECAUSE of the females I selected for him.

Ah well, C'est la vie!

[Tzeentch]

In your example, that would be fine.

But the way I understood it - A guy breeds 2 snakes and one of the offspring looks a little extra special. So he holds it back to breed back to its parent to see if its genetic.
So he breeds the offspring to its parent and gets something similar. Then he decides to breed snake from the 1st clutch to a snake of the new clutch. And it looks extra special too! We have a new line!, lets call it....

[rabernet]

In your example, that would be fine.

But the way I understood it - A guy breeds 2 snakes and one of the offspring looks a little extra special. So he holds it back to breed back to its parent to see if its genetic.
So he breeds the offspring to its parent and gets something similar. Then he decides to breed snake from the 1st clutch to a snake of the new clutch. And it looks extra special too! We have a new line!, lets call it....

That's how every morph was first proven to be genetic, be it recessive (you had to breed the first pieds back to their offspring to determine if it was recessive since all the babies were normal in appearance, or if it was just a fluke animal that wasn't genetic (like the Sunset for example)), dom or co-dom. But after the genetics have been determined - most all lines are then bred out once the genetics are understood.

[crbballs]

I personally do not care for Lemon, Grazani, SKS, NERD or any "line". "Line" to me is just another word for "inbreed".

And I do not care for inbreeding. Yes, it happens, but "out of site, out of mind"

So I skip right over the ones labeled "lemon", NERD or any "line"

Give me the one who was not breed to its mother 10 times just to get a little brighter yellow.

Well if you feel this way you should not be into the world of balls or any other snake for that matter. They arnt breed to their mother 10 times, offspring are usually breed back to the parent to prove its genetics or to see if there's a super form of that animal. Doesn't matter what line you buy from chances are there is inbreeding at the very begining. So in that case in what you are trying to argue doesn't make any since if you own a snake. Do your research on breeding. Heck do you like any of the double recessive snakes. Well chances are it was brother to sister not unless its a big breeder that has had multiple clutches from different parents. This forum is very helpful. Try wondering around it and once you get the knowledge on line breeding come back and make your arguement


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[darkbloodwyvern]

Line-breeding when done responsibly doesn't have too many risks. One reason big name breeders charge so much for their animals is because you are paying for them to breed their animals responsibly.
It also isn't as bad for some species to line breed as it is for humans. We have way more opportunities for messy recessive things than snakes do. That being said, there are bad breeders who don't record their breedings and may be producing nasty inbred traits. This is why you have to buy responsibly and avoid shady sellers who aren't bothering to research proper breeding.

all that being said, OP, my lemon girl looks a bit like yours, and he looks like a very nice snake! Whatever he came from, he was either a lucky good looker or had well chosen parents!

[TessadasExotics]

That's how every morph was first proven to be genetic, be it recessive (you had to breed the first pieds back to their offspring to determine if it was recessive since all the babies were normal in appearance, or if it was just a fluke animal that wasn't genetic (like the Sunset for example)), dom or co-dom. But after the genetics have been determined - most all lines are then bred out once the genetics are understood.

If only this statement was true.

Well if you feel this way you should not be into the world of balls or any other snake for that matter. They arnt breed to their mother 10 times, offspring are usually breed back to the parent to prove its genetics or to see if there's a super form of that animal. Doesn't matter what line you buy from chances are there is inbreeding at the very begining. So in that case in what you are trying to argue doesn't make any since if you own a snake. Do your research on breeding. Heck do you like any of the double recessive snakes. Well chances are it was brother to sister not unless its a big breeder that has had multiple clutches from different parents. This forum is very helpful. Try wondering around it and once you get the knowledge on line breeding come back and make your arguement


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Unfortunately this is true for a lot of breeders. Time is of the essence and most people are unwilling to spend the time or the extra money to do things the right way. It also can be said of big breeders and little breeders alike.

Line-breeding when done responsibly doesn't have too many risks. One reason big name breeders charge so much for their animals is because you are paying for them to breed their animals responsibly.
It also isn't as bad for some species to line breed as it is for humans. We have way more opportunities for messy recessive things than snakes do. That being said, there are bad breeders who don't record their breedings and may be producing nasty inbred traits. This is why you have to buy responsibly and avoid shady sellers who aren't bothering to research proper breeding.

all that being said, OP, my lemon girl looks a bit like yours, and he looks like a very nice snake! Whatever he came from, he was either a lucky good looker or had well chosen parents!

Actually your paying for their bills to get paid. It cost A LOT to house, feed and maintain their animals not to mention staff pay, insurance, show table fees, advertisement, etc. etc.. Don't get me wrong they are also the ones who pay 100k+ on those insane imports in-order to breed and distribute to every one else. They make things happen and should get compensated for what they produce, as we all should.

Responsible breeding starts with our selves. Some practice it and others don't. We each have to make that conscious decision. The biggest part of it is knowing that it doesn't stop with us, after we sell an animal each person after us also makes a decision. Imagine what your snakes genetic make-up looks like after about 10-12 years if every clutch was line-bred back to its parents and also sib to sib. It doesn't stop there either, it goes on and on. Then again I am sure some people could care less. Out site outa mind.