Lemon pastel?

[MitsuMike]

Truthfully it's probably not from a specific line. Most people don't have a pair of the same line but rather mix and match as the years as have gone on.
It might have some NERD line in it due to the markings but other than that it's anyone's guess.

[OhhWatALoser]

What type of Pastel is this animal, he doesn't seem like a common normal pastel? Is there even a way to identify different genetic lines?

your not reading what everyone is saying, ALL lines of pastels are pastels, there is nothing genetically different about a lemon pastel vs any other pastel. NERD selectively bred their pastels to be bright yellow. that's all. Just like lipstick albino boas are just selectivly bred albinos, there nothing geneticly different about them

Unless you have proof that your pastel came from NERD lineage, you can't call it a lemon. end of story. all "lemon" means is simply that stated above, its just a title, a word, it doesn't mean anything genetically

So instead of filling up my thread with useless posts, just give your opinions on what genetic line you THINK it may be. The animal has been purchased, now I want to know what I exactly have.

his post was not useless, its the truth. You want to know what you exactly have? Its a pastel. It didn;t come with a title in front of its name, so that's all you get.

Want to know where it came from? ask the lady you got it from where she got it from, then ask them where they got it from, then ask them where they got it from....ect.

you can't know a line by looking at it. Only by knowing which breeder produced it and where his animals came from, tracking it back to the first animal brought into captivity from the wild.

may I ask why you care so much that it came from a certain line?

[angllady2]

Whether you like it or not your snake is just a common, normal pastel.
Just like every other pastel on the planet is just a common, normal pastel unless it is bred with something else and carries more than one gene.

A true Lemon Pastel is just a common, normal pastel that happens to have been selectively bred to show a little more yellow.

A Grazani Pastel is just a common, normal pastel.

Even the famous Winston, owned by Robin here, while a stunning snake is still just a common, normal pastel.

There are different "grades" of pastel according to many people.

A Low grade pastel is a snake that has lost it's bright yellow coloration and is now almost indistinguishable from a normal.

A mid grade pastel has some yellow coloration into adulthood, or is at least noticablely lighter than a normal.

A high grade pastel had a lot of yellow coloring and fading that lasts it's whole life, you'd never mistake it for anything but a pastel.

I would rate yours as an upper mid grade pastel, a very nice animal with a lot of color. Bred to the right females, he has an excellent chance of improving the colors of his offspring.

But as far as insisting he's anything but a very nice pastel, that is pointless. Far too many people now give the title Lemon to any pastel that is bright as a baby. So unless you have proof that this animal came from NERD, it's not a lemon. Same thing for any of the other "named pastels" if you can't prove it came from that breeder, it's just an exceptional pastel.

By the way, if not having a title upsets you that bad, I'd be happy to take him off your hands for what you gave for him.

Gale

[ralphdp21]

Whether you like it or not your snake is just a common, normal pastel.
Just like every other pastel on the planet is just a common, normal pastel unless it is bred with something else and carries more than one gene.

A true Lemon Pastel is just a common, normal pastel that happens to have been selectively bred to show a little more yellow.

A Grazani Pastel is just a common, normal pastel.

Even the famous Winston, owned by Robin here, while a stunning snake is still just a common, normal pastel.

There are different "grades" of pastel according to many people.

A Low grade pastel is a snake that has lost it's bright yellow coloration and is now almost indistinguishable from a normal.

A mid grade pastel has some yellow coloration into adulthood, or is at least noticablely lighter than a normal.

A high grade pastel had a lot of yellow coloring and fading that lasts it's whole life, you'd never mistake it for anything but a pastel.

I would rate yours as an upper mid grade pastel, a very nice animal with a lot of color. Bred to the right females, he has an excellent chance of improving the colors of his offspring.

But as far as insisting he's anything but a very nice pastel, that is pointless. Far too many people now give the title Lemon to any pastel that is bright as a baby. So unless you have proof that this animal came from NERD, it's not a lemon. Same thing for any of the other "named pastels" if you can't prove it came from that breeder, it's just an exceptional pastel.

By the way, if not having a title upsets you that bad, I'd be happy to take him off your hands for what you gave for him.

Gale

thank you.
some one who took the time, to thoroughly explain.
i simply was confused as why they would label an already labeled animal.
confusing.

[BuckeyeBalls]

The animal has been purchased, now I want to know what I exactly have.

Idk maybe u can trace back the family tree and find out

Being serious i dont think u can be "exactly" sure like you stated as to what line it is. Thats what happens when you buy an animal and dont get the linage of the animal you bought.

With out knowing where the parents came from who knows. It may just be a "nromal" pastel that looks good, it could be a lemon, it could me a $100,000 new line of pastel (obvious sarcasm) without knowing what it was produced from your SOL?

[BuckeyeBalls]

y=his post was not useless, its the truth. You want to know what you exactly have? Its a pastel. It didn;t come with a title in front of its name, so that's all you get.

Want to know where it came from? ask the lady you got it from where she got it from, then ask them where they got it from, then ask them where they got it from....ect.

you can't know a line by looking at it. Only by knowing which breeder produced it and where his animals came from, tracking it back to the first animal brought into captivity from the wild.

may I ask why you care so much that it came from a certain line?

Thats what i was trying to say Without knowing the parents. their parents, their parents you never know what u have.

If you buy from a good breeder and they have it marked as a lemon pastel then the parents must of came from the nerd line.

If its marked as a pastel. then its that a pastel. you call it a lemon pastel its a lie

If u breed it. produce more and call it a lemon. its a lie.

So unless u know 100% sure where the offspring came from (the parents rather is a nerd line or some random pastel) u can only call it a pastel.

[rabernet]

Um, yes I am quite familiar to what a "Lemon" Pastel is. How many "Lemon" Pastels are being sold now days that are actualy "Lemon" Pastels? Who knows maybe they all realy are Lemon Pastels. They all pretty much look alike, it's realy all in the breeding.

Mine are. Kevin even validated it. I can trace mine 1 generation back to NERD.

[crbballs]

As far as you believing it to be a lemon or not you should just enjoy the animal you have and not over think it. A lot of people on here always try and over think what animal they actually have and always ask if its more than what it really is. And 99% of the time its just them over thinking.

Here's a pic of my "normal" pastel. She is sitting at 1600 grams and as you can see she's a higher grade one. Do I believe she is more than just a "normal" pastel? No, but she is awsome and that's all I care about.


I'm not being mean I'm just putting it as it is. People show us a lot of pictures of normals that they believe to be fires, pastels, vanillas or something different and they arnt. Either way you have an awsome pastel and enjoy him.

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[rabernet]

Here's a pastel female that I picked up from Garrick DeMeyer for much more than the "normal" price of pastel females. Unknown lineage, as there were two males who were with the female, both super pastels of mixed lineages.

If she produces babies as hot as her, they will also sell for more than your "average" pastel. They don't need a line name. So she's "just" a pastel.

[crbballs]

Yep I completely agree. I paid more for my pastel as well. I picked her up from tim bailey at the tinley show in 08. She was the hottest pastel on the table and I paid a lot more than any other pastels. The extra money was worth it.

And nice pastel by the way. Should be smokin when it gets some size.

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