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Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
I've heard some woma's do as well but I believe that's it (I'm referring to the regular woma - I haven't heard of this with NERD's Hidden Gene Woma which is a completely different morph). It varies though. I haven't noticed my spider wobbling at all. If she does, it isn't noticeable. Even when she feeds, she strikes and coils just like any other ball python.
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Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
 Originally Posted by Hypnotic Exotic
I've heard some woma's do as well but I believe that's it (I'm referring to the regular woma - I haven't heard of this with NERD's Hidden Gene Woma which is a completely different morph). It varies though. I haven't noticed my spider wobbling at all. If she does, it isn't noticeable. Even when she feeds, she strikes and coils just like any other ball python.
Thank you for bringing this up, it is true that some Woma Ball Pythons wobble, but it is not believed to be genetic like the Spider. However it is still unknown why it happens with some Womas and not others. Also, you are correct that there are no issues with the Hidden Gene Woma, just the regular Woma, the only known issue with the Hidden Gene Woma is that their super, the Pearl, fails to thrive.
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Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
There was actually a thread on here recently that NERD has some Pearls that are okay now but not sure if they did it by outcrossing or what.
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Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
"My spider is an '07 he doesn't have a wobble "
Yeah, I hear that all the time. I've never seen nor produced a non-wobbling spider (over time) and I think I've produced and seen enough to confidently say that you are either lying or mistaken.
If you in fact have a spider that doesn't wobble, congratulations, it's a one of a kind and is worth roughly 14 million dollars.
EDIT: I think some people see "wobble" and think that if the animals head doesn't vibrate or shake, then it's unaffected.
The "wobble" that spiders are so known for is not just a head shake persay; it includes twisting the head upside down, corkscrewing, stargazing, and other "abnormal" characteristics that are not seen in "normal" morphs.
Last edited by mykee; 10-22-2010 at 11:11 AM.
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Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
I have heard of a lot of people saying "my spider doesn't wobble". I have a beautiful spider. He doesn't wobble unless he is excited (mating season, holding, etc) or unless its late in the evening. Also, he doesn't strike. He eats F/T I have to put it in the bin with him and leave it in there, he goes right up to it and eats it. I've never seen him coil, or strike. Spider's have a wobble, regardless of the LINE or the BREEDER. Any breeder who tells you that their LINE has no Spider's with a wobble is either lying or really uneducated. Some Spiders are worse than others, some are like mine (only certain times, situations) some start wobbling as hatchlings, some later on. Any more info on that Pearl that NERD had? I saw someone mentioned it up in one of the posts.
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Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
all spiders and spider morphs have it genetically, but any snake can get it although its rare
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Re: Do all morphs get "head wobble"?
 Originally Posted by mykee
Yeah, I hear that all the time. I've never seen nor produced a non-wobbling spider (over time) and I think I've produced and seen enough to confidently say that you are either lying or mistaken.
If you in fact have a spider that doesn't wobble, congratulations, it's a one of a kind and is worth roughly 14 million dollars.
EDIT: I think some people see "wobble" and think that if the animals head doesn't vibrate or shake, then it's unaffected.
The "wobble" that spiders are so known for is not just a head shake persay; it includes twisting the head upside down, corkscrewing, stargazing, and other "abnormal" characteristics that are not seen in "normal" morphs.
That's a little harsh. I do believe that some people "think" that their spider doesn't wobble, but they aren't quite in tune with what to look for. I've got a female spider, that if I put her in your hands, you'd say "oh look - she doesn't wobble".
But she does. You have to really be paying attention to see it. I also maintain that all spiders have the wobble. Other breeders who have also worked extensively with this mutation would agree with me.
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