Are These Pied Markers...Yes or No?

[Miss Tuniwha]

Here is a nice link to NWE, showing photos of the black "tracks" that are associated with "het pieds"

http://www.nextworldexotics.com/hghpm.htm

As someone else mentioned already though... a het, is only as good as the seller you buy it from.. Paperwork means absolutely nothing.. I can make you paperwork for a het pastel and sell a normal with it.. etc. etc..

I have normals with these "het pied" markers.. and I have seen 100% het pieds with no "markers"..

[mainbutter]

What you showed in the pics are not pied markers (which I am still on the fence about their predictive value).

However, if your snake is from a visual pied x het pied pairing, it is for sure a het pied as well.

[joe23]

u cant tell on markers if something is het or not. some het pieds have markers, while others dont. but the markers that i know look different than urs.

BUT if it really comes from a het pied x pied breeding the snake is 100% het pied (not 66% or so).

so if u trust the breeder u should have a het pied there.

no matter if he has markers or not.

[SlitherinSisters]

No one could say by the pictures you posted. You need belly pictures of the last 1/3rd of the body. Many het pieds have the marker and many don't. Some normals even have the het pied marker, so it's never a good way to judge a snake by. You need to buy from a reputable breeder with paperwork to prove their genetics.

With that said, all three of my het pieds have the marker, but I also bought from a reputable breeder and saw both parents myself.

[Bass&Balls]

Here are some belly shots of the last 1/3 of her body...just cause...





Like I said, we just bought her as a normal...and I got her from my brother cause he is real busy with class and everything...really have no interest in the Pied gene except that I saw that little mark where the white came up pretty high into the flame and sparked some thinking

Thanks again guys

[Brandon Osborne]

With all this said, I have never seen a normal with "het pied markers". I'm not saying all hets have belly striping, but it's NOT JUST THE STRIPING. As many have mentioned, certain lines of het pieds carry the markers and others don't. It's not as important in today's market as it was say, 5-10 years ago when more possible hets were being sold....and for high prices. The line I have been breeding for the last several years has solid classic markers. Belly stripes and yellow smudging on 100% of my hets and the appropriate percentages of possible hets. There is a reason Pete Kahl held back a large number of possible hets back when he started breeding pieds. He was, and still is the largest producer of pieds in the industry.

[saskia]

That looks like a het. pied marker (by the tail the black side stripes) But those markers will not always say it really is a het. pied.
Also there are 100% het. pieds with no markers.....

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

Normals do sometimes have very thick heavy pied markers. I have one right now that I am sure is not het for anything because I produced it. The only way you can somewhat rely on the railroad tracks is if you are sure of the parents genes. Any morph can have an orange and white ringer. Some are more prone to it but it doesn't mean they are het pied. I have a cinnamon and a yellow belly and a fire all with partial ringers. Not het for anything.

The small white spot you showed is common on normals and some other morphs as well.

[gcanibe]

And what do u said about this male i got 2 years ago?

[Fallguy]

Here are some belly shots of the last 1/3 of her body...just cause...





Like I said, we just bought her as a normal...and I got her from my brother cause he is real busy with class and everything...really have no interest in the Pied gene except that I saw that little mark where the white came up pretty high into the flame and sparked some thinking

Thanks again guys

As stated previously, "markers" are not reliable. I have a few that have the tracks, but are not het anything. I have also heard that the tracks along the belly, will be more squared off, and the belly will be very clean. I see a few spots on the belly here.
I would have to go with normal, with a nice flame.