Breeding Etiquitte...

[Courtney281]

I asked a similar question before, but I have a more current one. If I were to breed my male with someones female (both snakes are of equal value) and when the female lays and I go pick up the eggs and incubate them and care for the babies, how do we split the clutch up? If there is a special oddball snake, who gets it? I know with my normal female and my friends pastel male and me doing all the work, he gets pick of the litter and we split the clutch 50/50, but what do you do in this situation?
Equal value of snakes
Im housing/feeding while breeding
Im incubating the eggs
Im caring the the babies once they hatch and are ready to go home.

[Teclis]

Me personally, just to save bickering, would let him choose his eggs when their laid. Mark 'em, incubate them the same, and when the time comes let him come watch his eggs hatch and it's all luck of the draw.

[anatess]

I just watched Secretariat (movie) last night. I like the way they arranged the offspring distribution... By coin toss!

In your case, it is about 50/50 because the other party is caring for your male and his female throughout the breeding cycle as well as the ovulation period. The female snake caries the health risk as well.

You care for the eggs and the hatchlings pretty much makes it even-steven. So, the offspring is a coin toss in my opinion. Whoever wins the coin toss gets first pick on the first snake, then the other party picks his first snake, then y'all take turns until all the snakes are distributed. If there is an odd number of snakes, the loser of the toss gets the last odd snake.

You sign paperwork on this agreement with a 3rd party witness who will do the toss.

But, that's just my own imagination working after watching the movie.

[Courtney281]

No I'm housing and feeding and breeding and incubating and eveything. But it's their female. All they do is let me know when the eggs are laid. Just clarifying

[rabernet]

Why wouldn't the female stay with you until she lays her eggs? She's going to need to go into quarantine at your house before you breed anyway.

As for the split.... 50/50. You're not getting eggs without that female.

No I'm housing and feeding and breeding and incubating and eveything. But it's their female. All they do is let me know when the eggs are laid. Just clarifying

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[Twisted Reptiles]

Why move the female twice? Every time you move her is going to cause stress and increase the odds that she won't go at all. Its much easier to send the male to the female, imho.

But if you must move her once, why move her after breeding just so she can lay? Why not just leave her with you until she has laid?

As far as splitting stuff up, you need to account for every possible scenario and lay it out ahead of time. You need to negotiate any variance in an even split to account for time and effort you've committed to it. But if someone else is providing the female....an even split is probably about the best you should hope for.

Plan it all out, get it in writing, keep communication lines open, and hope that it all pans out.

[Sarin]

Split the eggs 50/50 and I also agree with marking the eggs when they're laid. That seems the fairest way to go.. What you get is what you get. Just my opinion. Good luck!

[Don]

The most important thing is to come up with a method that is agreeable to both parties and put it in writing before the pairings. That will eliminate any misunderstandings and hurt feelings. If you think there is going to be the possibility of an interesting morph produced, you need to address that in your written agreement.

Having a written agreement clears the air and sets the proper expectations. The agreement can be a simple handwritten document that both agree to. Make sure each of you have a copy.

Good luck.

[Blue Apple Herps]

Split the eggs 50/50 and I also agree with marking the eggs when they're laid. That seems the fairest way to go.. What you get is what you get. Just my opinion. Good luck!

I think this is a bad idea. What happens if they do a pastel x spider and get 8 eggs. Lets say its a perfect clutch and there are 2 bees, 2 spiders, 2 pastels, and 2 normals. But lets also say that one party picked eggs that contained both bees and a spider and a pastel. The other person is left with a spider, pastel, and two normals.

Do you hardly think that is fair? I sure don't. Ideally it would be split 50/50.

But then what if the same clutch only gave 1 bee and 7 normals, then what?

The only way I'd ever do a bp breeding loan (or any breeding loan) is to do a homozygous/super cross so that the F1 were all the same thing. Doing co-dom crosses is rolling the dice, and its possible on person involved will get screwed. Stick with homozygous/super crosses so that you know exactly what will pop out and no one gets upset. Then work out the fine details.

[Courtney281]

thanks everyone for your input. I can see both side of the coin here on marking eggs to not marking eggs. Just to clear things up a little we are breeding my male possible het for albino with her female possible het for albino. We are doubtful that they will prove out, but just in case they do and we get an albino, I kinda wanted to know where to go with this. We are good friends and I really don't want to do anything that will jeopardize that. If all else fails, I'll just swallow my pride and let her take the only albino if we do end up getting one. She says she only wants "pick of the litter" anyway. She doesnt even want to split the clutch 50/50.

Thanks again though, all the feedback really helped