Bee w/ wobble

[xdeus]

So what is the problem? Do people not like to see them do it? Is that it?

For me it's simply a defect that I don't wish to propagate. It would be the same for any other snake with a major defect such as a kinked spine or born without eyes. I'm sure they can live reasonably well and I wouldn't cull it if it could lead a semi-normal life, but I feel that they shouldn't be propagated just because they happen to have a different paint job.

Nobody knows what it's like for the snake to live with that condition, but I imagine that it's difficult for even a primitive animal like a snake. Imagine if you had a condition where you couldn't control your basic motor skills?

There are so many other morphs out there, why continue to breed snakes that have an obvious detrimental defect?

[WingedWolfPsion]

Well, spiders do not show any signs of distress due to their condition--as has been widely noted, they tend to be good feeders, and many are considered tame and personable--signs of a secure and unstressed animal.
Since they are not in distress, why not propagate them?

[xdeus]

Well, spiders do not show any signs of distress due to their condition--as has been widely noted, they tend to be good feeders, and many are considered tame and personable--signs of a secure and unstressed animal.
Since they are not in distress, why not propagate them?

Just because they aren't distressed doesn't mean they're fine. Going back to my reply, would you breed snakes that were eyeless or kinked? I'm sure those aren't distressed, either.

I think everyone has their limits as to what is acceptable and what isn't. Personally, I feel a snake that spins and can't move normally and freely isn't worth the odd pattern.

I may have offended some people because Spiders and their morphs are very popular, but that wasn't my intent. I was asked for my opinion as someone who doesn't like Spiders, and I gave my personal opinion.

[mainbutter]

blckphntm, the spider wobble is extremely unnatural. You don't have to have any experience with snakes to see a spider wobble and think that there is something wrong with the snake.

The fact that these snakes seem to thrive in captivity is itself surprising as heck to me, when I think about all the human disorders that cause motor problems.

It almost looks a bit like parkinson's syndrome to me, which is a bit disturbing until you get past the initial shock factor.

That said, spiders DO in fact thrive in captivity and I don't think it's wrong for anyone to work with these animals, but I hope that those who do respect the views of people who are completely turned off of spiders because of the balance and motor control issues.

[Orlandoflor]

i have an adult female spider who when you first look at her she looks normal but after you pick her up then you see her head looping around but this does not affect her at all she is my best eater and does not even show the wobble when she is going to eat

[Freakie_frog]

blckphntm, the spider wobble is extremely unnatural. You don't have to have any experience with snakes to see a spider wobble and think that there is something wrong with the snake.

The fact that these snakes seem to thrive in captivity is itself surprising as heck to me, when I think about all the human disorders that cause motor problems.

It almost looks a bit like parkinson's syndrome to me, which is a bit disturbing until you get past the initial shock factor.

That said, spiders DO in fact thrive in captivity and I don't think it's wrong for anyone to work with these animals, but I hope that those who do respect the views of people who are completely turned off of spiders because of the balance and motor control issues.

I for one think that this is what makes Ball python morphs so great. You can totally avoid some morphs and still have buckets full of choices. Theres enough different stuff out for everyone without having pee in someone's kiddie pool (stole that from Kevin) People not liking spiders is totally fine with me. I enjoy them and their many combo's..

[ChuckSM]

The most important thing is can she eat ? If she can then carry on as usual.

Even if your Bee didnt wobble does not mean her kids would not. If you want the beauty of this morph then accept it and enjoy the craziness.

Act like a Proud Southerner and put her on the front porch for the world to see, right next to the alzheimer patient. Crazy is not bad just a interesting fact of life.

[corgigirl9]

I have a bee with a minimal wobble, very minimal seems to only come out when hes about to be sexed. Kinda weird. I fell in love with bumblebees at first sight and so when I did my research I was head over heels and decided the wobble is nothing I can change just like a normal snake looking well normal.

[J.Vandegrift]

How long should I have the balled paper in with her before offering the next meal?

Thanks for the advice.

I would wait a few days and try again.

[BlckPhntm]

@xdeus How is the wobble detrimetal? Ive never heard if a spider die from a wobble/spin vs kinks from cinnys, super cinny, caramels, etc.

@mainbutter I do understand the wobble is not natural, anyone can see that. However, they do fine in captivity.