I have a black pastel - do I also want a cinny?

[h00blah]

In my limited experience, neither of these morphs are 'golden' and on the Graziani Reptils website it states:

"One of the males that I picked had an odd cinnamon color and he was not as bright as the rest. His dorsal pattern was normal... After a closer look at him we realized that he contained no yellow pigment. At that time we were calling him a Cinnamon ball python."

This implies that the morph was indeed named after the base color and not the dorsal color which was described as 'normal' which I assume ranges from dark brown to black; nor was the original animal 'golden' in any way.

I don't understand how people can believe that one is UGLY and one is GORGEOUS. They are honestly VERY similar in appearance, and such opinions are based on just that, opinion.

i specifically said "i find" so yes.. it is my opinion... i think both are nice looking, but i guess you require people to start with "IMO".. lol i take everything most people say as opinion unless a person specifically asks "whats better - this or that?" or "what is a HQ this?"..

also, i said a HQ black pastel should focus on the dark BLACK and the gold... (IMO...)...
NERD's black pastel page: "While extremely similar to the Cinnamon trait, Black Pastels are a separate lineage with the same manner of co-dominant inheritance. Black Pastels are high contrast animals, with distinct black background coloration & gold or rust colored patterning."

as far as the cinnys go, yeah i guess i mispoke . they ARE more reddish.

[KingBowser]

Personally, I think that black pastels and cinnamons look quite different...
For one thing, blacks usually have the squiggly black lines on the sides around where the 'alien heads' should be. Plus, the heads of each morph look quite distinct. There are some animals that look like they could go either way, but those are simply poor examples of their morph.

[The Mad Baller]

Yesterday, I received a Cinnamon female from The Snake Keeper. It was $250 shipped. Dan was great and helpfull & very polite and keeps good records on all the snakes. She arrived at 118 grams and in perfect health. He has Cinnamons and Black Pastels for $200 each. I also purchased a Pastel het Clown female and it was great also. I will be purchasing alot more from them.