What Would You Concider These?

[Chuckels]

Im going on a different approach. I see two baby snakes with an odd pattern, but the mom is reduced... If I where to put money on whats doing it, id choose the dad. I just cant see why a reduced pattern female would throw babys like that, but she is definitely not a het red, if anything.

I've seen the Dad. He is just a Spider. Im not downplaying what your saying, Im just saying that he looks like a normal dad. I understand that my female is just a 'normal' , but after this season, I will find out for sure if she has something going on with her. Her offspring should help decide that. Her upper 1/2 of her body looks more black pastel-ish to me. You cant see it in the 1 picture I've taken, so when I get some time I will take some head/belly shots for ya'll.

[carlo]

my first thought was spotnose spider .

[vapour]

I've got a really nice example of an 08 het red male if you'd like to try him. Pm me or email me.

[XSReptiles]

Ralph just posted results of his 2010 clutch 58. HRA spider look a bit different than these posted. OT clutch 59 is insane, the lesser clown is sick! I personally think it might be the enchi clown myself.

Xavier

[JoeEllisReptiles]

You know what I am starting to think? I think that these babies I have are a green pastel spider and green pastels.... that is what i am starting to think as of now.

Joe

[XSReptiles]

You know what I am starting to think? I think that these babies I have are a green pastel spider and green pastels.... that is what i am starting to think as of now.

Joe

What's a green pastel? I saw someone post a pix of one froma Daytona pickup post. Looks like a cinny or black pastel. Do you know if you got spiders from both of Gabe's clutches? I wasn't sure if if mine was from the same clutch as the ones you have.

Xavier

[JoeEllisReptiles]

if it's a dirty looking spider it's a sibling to the one I have.

Joe

[Chuckels]

You know what I am starting to think? I think that these babies I have are a green pastel spider and green pastels.... that is what i am starting to think as of now.

Joe

If its a green pastel, what should the pairing be? Im thinking either Mojave or Cinnamon. Those are 2 Im going for. Or my pastel. Depends on if would make a super form. Ive also never heard of green pastel with the exception of the Daytona pictures, and they look more cinny/black pastelish like X said.

Hrmmmm.......Decisions.

Trey

[JoeEllisReptiles]

I have talked to a few people and from what i have seen and heard I should breed the spider male back to the few females I have to produced the weird offspring. It's hard to say which animal made the offspring look the way they are. Time will tell.

Joe