Pastel Yellow Belly Chocolate?

[RandyRemington]

This is my favorite keeper so far for 2010. He is out of my founding Garcia line chocolate female. His father is a pastel ivory owned by Marshall Van Thorre who hatched the clutch on a breeding loan. It was a mixed paternity clutch and he only had two yellow belly siblings. None of them look really obviously chocolate to me which got me wondering if we just missed or if yellow belly might interfere with the usual chocolate indicators. Maybe the over the top yellow pattern of the yellow belly gene negates the normal wide dark pattern in chocolate?

His siblings are my first even yellow bellies so I certainly don't have much experience with the range of what a pastel yellow belly can look like. Anyone have yellow belly chocolate or pastel yellow belly chocolate to compare? Something about the quality of his black, the speckling in his alien heads, and the flames make me hopeful but maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see.

Hoping as he grows (hasn't even had his 2nd shed) I'll see some more encouragement for my hope that this pastel yellow belly also caries the chocolate gene. Even if the combo is subtle it would sure help my breeding efforts as I love the pastel super chocolate and figure a shot for yellow belly in there too couldn't hurt. Maybe an older pastel yellow belly chocolate would look like a nice carpet python?

[h00blah]

wow, you have been a member since 2003!!!!!! i think you've been on here longer than anyone else ive seen!!! good luck on ur chocolate hunt

[RandyRemington]

LOL, yes, I'm old. I remember Usenet and I think it was herp.pets.org where a certain Compaq tech support agent announced he was starting a new fangled web page forum called kingsnake.com Funny how even in Usenet days there was already a NERD controversy thread. The technology may change but politics stay the same!

[MKHerps]

It looks like their is chocalate in there to me. Normally Ybs do not display white around the lateral pattern. Plus the black just has that chocolate/sable look to it. Most Pastel YBs have very deep satin like black them. It is a very nice looking snake either way.

Matt

[RandyRemington]

What about his yellow belly brother. Is chocolate hiding in him? Really like his look in person even better than his sisters for some reason. I've been known to have trouble seeing chocolate by it's self. Throw another gene that I don’t know like yellow belly in there with who knows what sort of interaction and hard to find those heterozygous chocolates. Guess I'll have to get to working with homozygous/super chocolates ASAP as no missing those.

[Serpent_Nirvana]

You know it's funny; when I saw the title of this thread I thought I was going to find it kind of unappealing -- I'm usually not a fan of the results of pastel x chocolate/sable -- but that snake is dang cool looking!

I don't have much experience at all with chocolates -- seen a few at shows, but that's about it -- but from what I've seen of pastel YBs, it looks as though that guy's dark colors are maybe a bit bolder and darker than usual for that morph, so I could definitely conceive of that guy having chocolate in him ... Either way, he's a good-looking snake!

[h00blah]

What about his yellow belly brother. Is chocolate hiding in him? Really like his look in person even better than his sisters for some reason. I've been known to have trouble seeing chocolate by it's self. Throw another gene that I don’t know like yellow belly in there with who knows what sort of interaction and hard to find those heterozygous chocolates. Guess I'll have to get to working with homozygous/super chocolates ASAP as no missing those.

i was about to reply saying i dont see any pastel in him, but u said he is a YB - i would say there is some chocolate in him for sure