Bins vs Tanks

[SpartaDog]

You're talking about a regular 30 gallon tall, we're talking about a 30 gallon breeder tank.

A 30 gallon breeder tank has the same floor space as a 40 gallon breeder, its just not quite as tall.

So 30 breeders actually have a lot more floor space than a 20 gallon long.

I know I'm talking about a 30 tall. That's my point. Every care sheet I've ever read on ball pythons says 30 gal, not 30 gallon long/breeder. I know 30Ls have more floorspace than a 20L.

I'm not arguing that a 30L is better, either, just asking why more people don't specify.

[SpartaDog]

Now I'm not saying that a BP shouldn't be in a display viv, I'm just saying that if you want a cool display pet I wouldn't recommend a Ball Python.

Why not? I think they're one of the most beautiful snakes in existence. And it's one of the few really attractive snakes that can be housed in a relatively small aquarium. As opposed to say, redtails or bloods.

[abuja]

I keep mine in a tank because I only have one and so have the time to maintain humidity and temperature properly.

[SpartaDog]

Me 2. All 3 of my reptiles are in aquariums, but I plan on having more eventually.

[cinderbird]

Why not? I think they're one of the most beautiful snakes in existence. And it's one of the few really attractive snakes that can be housed in a relatively small aquarium. As opposed to say, redtails or bloods.

they spend a good 85% of their lives hiding. Its hard to say an animal makes a good display animal when you almost never see it.

[SpartaDog]

they spend a good 85% of their lives hiding. Its hard to say an animal makes a good display animal when you almost never see it.

My BP is out and about almost every time I go into the room. Every now and then he hides, but not 85% of the time.

[alexOATH]

My BP is out and about almost every time I go into the room. Every now and then he hides, but not 85% of the time.

Thats not necessarily a good thing. A happy ball python is a hiding ball python.



Although I get the display thing, I have my boas in display tanks and I go all out with their decor using realistic hides and make my own backgrounds using fake plants, have logs in there, etc. And even if the snake isn't always out the tank itself still looks really cool, like a mini jungle in a glass box.

[iCandiBallPythons]

Keep in mind that not all bp's are the same, just about everyone of mine have different personalities,

[anatess]

You're talking about a regular 30 gallon tall, we're talking about a 30 gallon breeder tank.

A 30 gallon breeder tank has the same floor space as a 40 gallon breeder, its just not quite as tall.

So 30 breeders actually have a lot more floor space than a 20 gallon long.

as far as your 20L vs 30L question its probally the extra 6 inches wide the 30 is,which the tubs end up being that wide also? i guess. another thing is the tubs throw you off because they are so short, that what it was for me.

When you're comparing tanks versus bins (or even just 2 different types of enclosures), you want to compare square footage (floor area), not total volume.

So yes, a 20L is smaller than a 30L because a 20L is only 30"x12" whereas a 30L (same as a 30 gallon breeder) is 36"x18". A CB70-size tub which most breeders use for their adult bps is 33.5"x18.5". So the CB70 tub is only a few inches shy of a 30L.

There are 2 types of 40 gallons... The 40 gallon breeder is the same as the 30L except it is 6 inches taller. A 40L is 48"x12"x16". A 40L has more floor space than a 40 breeder. I know, quite confusing with these idiot names.

But, generally, you want to use 30L for adult bp's, or a CB70 bin or any other tank/bin that has around the same floor space. The thing with caresheets is sometimes they forget that they're talking to newbies that are not familiar with aquariums besides the ones used for fish. So, when they talk sizes, they tend to forget to mention that we are talking about the LONG tanks that are designed for reptiles and not fish.

[anatess]

I just feel like if someone wants a display animal they should get something other than a BP. Because, while they are awesome pets and some do fine (like yours) in nice displays that people can look at, others get very stressed out being looked in upon all the time. I couldn't get my male eating consistently for anything, then we moved and the snakes got their own room with no traffic, except for the daily water change and the cat, he began hiding all the time and eating every week.

Now I'm not saying that a BP shouldn't be in a display viv, I'm just saying that if you want a cool display pet I wouldn't recommend a Ball Python.

Sarah, I completely get what you're saying. But, our family is different. My husband and kids want the snake, I want the viv. I don't want to see snake, I want to see Africa. Ball pythons are perfect for me because you never know they're there until you smell poop. It's perfect for husband and kids because they don't want any snake. They want a ball python... and a hognose (that you don't see too much of either because he likes to burrow under the substrate).

And no, the display vivs are not in the living room or anywhere close to traffic. My family don't visit me anymore as it is, having seen the snakes... I don't want my friends to stop visiting me too when they stop by and the first thing they see is snakes!

So, in my house, I have a giant fish tank in the foyer and a dog running all over the place. They're the only ones you see as a guest. All the rest of the pets - that's snakes, rats, bird, turtles, are out of the way. Rats in the back, turtles in the bedroom hallway, snakes in the office.

What can I say. We're a small zoo.