3 bee questions

[OhhWatALoser]

i totally agree loser, people need to not talk about stuff they dont understand. theres no proof one way or the other that it is homozygous lethal.

if for some reason the mystery hasnt been unraveled in a few years i plan on testing it extensivly to try and shed some light on the situation

I will also be doing it once I can. spider should be able to breed this season, plan on pairing her up with a pastel hypo so hopefully i get a male bumblebee to breed back to her.

[mumps]

I'm just tossing ideas out here, I have no proof; just my own opinions.

If spiders "wobble", wouldn't the spiderxspider pairing increase the amount of "wobble" in the offspring, and by inbreeding a son/mother spider combo make it even worse? I've seen a lot of people here against inbreeding (as I am), and some who do it with no thought whatsoever (usually driven by the desire to make expen$ive offspring).

I have a pair of breeding spiders, but I'll never put them together...

Chris

[dr del]

Hi,

That is always a possibility but the fact the amount of wobble in the offspring seems unrelated to the amount in the parents in all spider breedings to other morphs it is far from a certainty. It might be the cause of any fatalities - or there may be another cause... or it might not happen at all.

It is simply another of the questions that has not yet been definitively answered.


dr del

[OhhWatALoser]

I'm just tossing ideas out here, I have no proof; just my own opinions.

If spiders "wobble", wouldn't the spiderxspider pairing increase the amount of "wobble" in the offspring, and by inbreeding a son/mother spider combo make it even worse? I've seen a lot of people here against inbreeding (as I am), and some who do it with no thought whatsoever (usually driven by the desire to make expen$ive offspring).

I have a pair of breeding spiders, but I'll never put them together...

Chris

the degree of the spider's wooble has alot of examples of it being completly random, like how much white will your pied have? doesn't matter if you breed a high white pied to a high white pied, you can still get low/no white babies. spider's wooble seems to be the same way, a low wooble spider can throw high wooble babies, sometime you can have siblings one has a bad wooble the other doesn't. all evidence seems to point toward it being random. The spider I have doesn't wooble at all, but it doesn't mean im expecting the babies not to have woobles.

When someone comes forth with any proof of inbreeding having any negative effect besides something being line bred for 3+ generations, mayb i will give it a thought. until then it just rumors to me.

see problem is people like to make alot of claims and some stick, like homozygous spider being a lethal gene. and im even guilty of spread that rumor at one point because everyone said it and i thought it was just fact. But try researching it and there not one shred of evidence of it being lethal. only thing we know is there is not a known homozygous spider. it could be a complicated gene and there nothing deadly about it. mayb it is lethal. we don't know tho.

lemme ask you, why do you not believe in inbreeding? just because so many people claim its bad right? it must be true, then they say people only do it to make money. makes sense we see greedy people everywhere in our everyday lives, so again must be true. but again try researching it. lemme know what you find.

[BAMReptiles]

the degree of the spider's wooble has alot of examples of it being completly random, like how much white will your pied have? doesn't matter if you breed a high white pied to a high white pied, you can still get low/no white babies. spider's wooble seems to be the same way, a low wooble spider can throw high wooble babies, sometime you can have siblings one has a bad wooble the other doesn't. all evidence seems to point toward it being random. The spider I have doesn't wooble at all, but it doesn't mean im expecting the babies not to have woobles.

When someone comes forth with any proof of inbreeding having any negative effect besides something being line bred for 3+ generations, mayb i will give it a thought. until then it just rumors to me.

see problem is people like to make alot of claims and some stick, like homozygous spider being a lethal gene. and im even guilty of spread that rumor at one point because everyone said it and i thought it was just fact. But try researching it and there not one shred of evidence of it being lethal. only thing we know is there is not a known homozygous spider. it could be a complicated gene and there nothing deadly about it. mayb it is lethal. we don't know tho.

lemme ask you, why do you not believe in inbreeding? just because so many people claim its bad right? it must be true, then they say people only do it to make money. makes sense we see greedy people everywhere in our everyday lives, so again must be true. but again try researching it. lemme know what you find.

i generally hate when people quote long posts lol but you sir hit the nail square on the head. too much rumor and hearsay from people who know nothing of genetics goin on with spiders atm. too many threads also, there's at least 1 new spider thread a day lol

[Steveoo]

but the problem is is that its all rumor. everyone wants an answer to something no one fully know and the people that "do know" ether havent spoken load enough or arent being taken serious