Cinnamon X Fire

[Tool93]

Also if you know any websites that can help me out with punette squares...
I know simple recessives,codoms,and dominates, but trying to draw out bumblebee X pastel, super cinnamon X pastel, or anything like that confuses me. I know im stupid but Im new to the whole ball python scene

[Oxylepy]

I actually dont know of any, however here is one of the posts I made explaining it:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...58#post1385158

Now, as for your particular questions, I'll break them down for you:

Bumblebee x Pastel
From the Bumblebee 50% get 1 Pastel gene
From the Pastel 50% get 1 Pastel gene
So, typical het x het square
50% Pastel
25% Normal
25% Super Pastel
From the Bumblebee 50% get 1 Spider gene
From the Pastel 0% get 1 Spider gene
Typical Het x hom square
50% Spider
50% Normal

Now combine the two traits End Results
.5x.5=.25
25% Pastel Spider (Bumblebee)
25% Pastel
.25x.5=.125
12.5% Spider
12.5% Normal
12.5% Super Pastel Spider (Killerbee)
12.5% Super Pastel

Super Cinnamon x Pastel
I could easily skip this since it would be a Hom x Het square where every trait gets Cinnamon and 50% get Pastel, but I'll do the whole thing for example.
From the Super Cinnamon 100% get 1 Cinnamon gene
From the Pastel 0% get 1 Cinnamon gene
100% Cinnamon
From the Super Cinnamon 0% get 1 Pastel gene
From the Pastel 50% get 1 Pastel gene
50% Pastel
50% Normal

Combine these to get End Results
1.0x.5=.5
50% Cinnamon Pastel (Pewter)
50% Cinnamon

Now, you think that's bad, I could put my dream set up, but I'd get a headache (Ultramel x Panda Pied > Triple hets, breed to panda pied (if that's the female), take the panda pied male offspring and breed each one back to one of the first generation female triple hets.... yeah... headache to write out)

But here is one I just did the results on earlier, I used the same method but didnt bother writing it out, if you take the 3 i posted for you, use the same concept, you can probably come up with each of the sets yourself, if you can then you probably figured it out, and for that you deserve a high five.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...hreadid=125751 (scroll down)

[Tool93]

I thought super cinnamon X pastel produces a silver bullet? Where does that come in to play?

[Oxylepy]

I thought super cinnamon X pastel produces a silver bullet? Where does that come in to play?

Pewter x Cinnamon
Pewter x Pewter
etc

It's a Super Cinnamon Patel, so it would require both snakes to have the Cinnamon trait and at least one to have the Pastel.

[Tool93]

Are your odds of getting one higher if you breed 2 pewters?

[Oxylepy]

Are your odds of getting one higher if you breed 2 pewters?

No, actually I believe they are less.... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut you can produce a Super Pastel Super Cinnamon...

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/super-pewter/

[Oxylepy]

Well, might as well draft it up for you:

Pewter x Cinnamon
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Pastel gene
From the Cinnamon 0% get 1 Pastel gene
50% Pastel
50% Normal
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Cinnamon gene
From the Cinnamon 50% get 1 Cinnamon gene
25% Super Cinnamon
50% Cinnamon
25% Normal

Combine for the End results
.5x.25=.125
12.5% Pastel Super Cinnamon (Silver Bullet)
.5x.5=.25
25% Pastel Cinnamon (Pewter)
12.5% Pastel
12.5% Super Cinnamon
25% Cinnamon
12.5% Normal

Pewter x Pewter
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Pastel gene
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Pastel gene
25% Super Pastel
50% Pastel
25% Normal
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Cinnamon gene
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Cinnamon gene
25% Super Cinnamon
50% Cinnamon
25% Normal

Combine for your End Results
.25x.25=.0625
6.25% Super Pastel Super Cinnamon (Super Pewter)
.25x.5=.125
12.5% Super Pastel Cinnamon
6.25% Super Pastel
12.5% Super Cinnamon Pastel (Silver Bullet)
25% Pastel Cinnamon (Pewter)
12.5% Pastel
6.25% Super Cinnamon
12.5% Cinnamon
6.25% Normal

Hey, same likelihood, look at that. Well, cool.

BTW, here is a "genetics wizard" but it seems to only do single trait x single trait.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

[Dave Green]

Here's a bad picture of two male cinnamon fires I hatched earlier this year. I bred a fire male to a cinnamon female. They are really getting nice looking as they shed and grow. I'm really surprised as I didn't think I'd like them as much as I do. I'll take updated pictures when I get a chance.

The fire cinnamons are on the left the snake on the right is a cinnamon female.

[brian abrams]

Cinny-Fires (or whatever they are called), are much more rare than pewters are. And although they are both dbl co-dom's, it's a no-brainer that the Cinny-Fires would command a higher price.

[Tool93]

I was judging on appearances. The firemon isnt as unique as the pewter.