Barcelona, Spain Bans bull fights- Opinions

[bad-one]

Alright, so I read this article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100728/...pphu-container


Here's what I wrote on it (I rarely bother on yahoo comments since most posters are.. comical to say the least but I said "hey, why not?" lol)- started out with vegetarian/vegan viewpoint since it seemed a lot were backing this ban and the example worked well imo:

For those that are vegetarians/vegans here:
The thing is, you don't eat animals but I do. However, I won't force you to eat meat (and I have no right to)- why should anyone have the right to take away what I eat?

Apply this to bull fighting and many other things as well-
I do not support animal cruelty, but I do not support outright bans of common practices or traditions.
However, I do support responsible regulation/ comprimise, not a ban in favor of one extreme vs another.

To clarify my point I had to write this since some people couldn't grasp my point and instead said I either "made no sense" or "I am stupid" :

For example not being allowed to draw blood or inflict injury upon the animal. How they'd do it after such a regulation was in place is up to them not us.

My point is that comprimise would have worked best here.

Anyway I'm just looking for opinions on this for fun so let's keep it friendly folks

[BPHERP]

Alright, so I read this article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100728/...pphu-container


Here's what I wrote on it (I rarely bother on yahoo comments since most posters are.. comical to say the least but I said "hey, why not?" lol)- started out with vegetarian/vegan viewpoint since it seemed a lot were backing this ban and the example worked well imo:



To clarify my point I had to write this since some people couldn't grasp my point and instead said I either "made no sense" or "I am stupid" :


Anyway I'm just looking for opinions on this for fun so let's keep it friendly folks

My first reaction is... banning bull fights in Spain is like banning surfing at the beach. I mean, Spain and bull fights are practically synonymous. But, in a world that continues to bow to political correctness, it does not surprise me.

[mommanessy247]

i'm against animal cruelty period. i see bullfighting as cruel to those bulls because they're teased/ tortured before they're finally put through a slow death...and all for "sport".
"let's see how bad we can piss off this bull before we finally kill it."
and even then, death is a blessing for them, when it finally happens.
so the ban on that...good...finally sombody's speaking up on behalf of those animals.
but thats just my opinion.

[dr del]

Hi,

To be honest I strongly suspect this has much more to do with the Catalonians trying to assert their individuality against the rest of Spain (whilst annoying the bejeebus out of them at the same time as a major bonus ) than it has to do with any feelings about the treatment of animals.


dr del

[j_h_smith]

This ban is wrong. This isn't some group of kids pulling the claws from a kitten's paw. This is hundreds of years of tradition. This is almost a state sponsored sport. It doesn't seem to affect but one bull fighting ring, ONLY ONE. Seems like a elitist group has bought the vote of the local government. I get tired of people like this.

If you don't like bull fighting, don't go to the ring. Why do people feel they have the right to choose what's best for the whole? I just don't get it. It happens all over the world for many different reasons. Somebody with a bunch of money, buys the vote of a few powerful people and impose their will.

It's just wrong.
Jim Smith

[unspecified42]

I don't think that 'tradition' should be immune from cruelty laws. Plenty of 'traditions' have been overturned as society evolves, and I am glad that this cruel and pointless torture is coming to an end.

[j_h_smith]

I don't think that 'tradition' should be immune from cruelty laws. Plenty of 'traditions' have been overturned as society evolves, and I am glad that this cruel and pointless torture is coming to an end.

Don't get me started on this animal cruelty thing. Unless you live in a bubble, you contribute to animal cruelty everyday of your life. You just don't see it. But for most people, as long as they don't see the cruelty, they don't care.

Jim Smith

[unspecified42]

Don't get me started on this animal cruelty thing. Unless you live in a bubble, you contribute to animal cruelty everyday of your life. You just don't see it. But for most people, as long as they don't see the cruelty, they don't care.

Jim Smith

That is true. Unfortunately our society and culture is such that it is difficult to avoid cruelty to other living beings. However, that is no excuse for not attempting to reduce it. I personally do quite a bit in my own life to prevent being party to some common cruelties.

What we are talking about is pure sport. There is no purpose for bullfighting. There is no reason beyond the interests of a morbid crowd. I can see no logical reason to think this is acceptable.



To the OP- the argument to vegans and vegetarians is not a relevant one. In the case of raising and slaughtering animals for consumption, compromises can be reached. Allow it, but regulate the conditions under which the animals live and die, providing for a humane existence and death. I personally have no moral objection to eating meat or using animal products, but I do object to the often inhumane treatment of the animals we use and eat.

Bullfighting by definition requires torture. That is purely what it is, and there is no reasonable compromise which can be reached.

[Danounet]

That is true. Unfortunately our society and culture is such that it is difficult to avoid cruelty to other living beings. However, that is no excuse for not attempting to reduce it. I personally do quite a bit in my own life to prevent being party to some common cruelties.

What we are talking about is pure sport. There is no purpose for bullfighting. There is no reason beyond the interests of a morbid crowd. I can see no logical reason to think this is acceptable.



To the OP- the argument to vegans and vegetarians is not a relevant one. In the case of raising and slaughtering animals for consumption, compromises can be reached. Allow it, but regulate the conditions under which the animals live and die, providing for a humane existence and death. I personally have no moral objection to eating meat or using animal products, but I do object to the often inhumane treatment of the animals we use and eat.

Bullfighting by definition requires torture. That is purely what it is, and there is no reasonable compromise which can be reached.

Because deer huting and fishing is any different? Is all tradition.

[Blue Apple Herps]

Don't get me started on this animal cruelty thing. Unless you live in a bubble, you contribute to animal cruelty everyday of your life. You just don't see it. But for most people, as long as they don't see the cruelty, they don't care.

Jim Smith

Just playing devil's advocate, but regardless of animal cruelty elsewhere, that doesn't make this instance of animal cruelty any different. Animal cruelty is animal cruelty. We shouldn't try to justify one instance of it because there are other instances of it. But I digress, probably starting to get OT.

As for the ban, I have mixed feelings. On the one hand I feel it is animal cruelty. You're essentially torturing the animal over the course of a period of time until it dies.

On the other hand, I can appreciate the cultural traditions that come with it.

I could be in favor of some compromise, where maybe after the bull has been injured a certain number of times, it is either instantly and humanely killed to end its suffering, or maybe its taken out of the ring, bandaged, and put out to pasture. I'm not sure what the answer is.