Mice Direct FDA Recall

[ice#1]

meaning how could a place that shipped that many contaminated animals live or dead not notice some of the live ones were sick rember not all animals become carriers but get sick and die from it also is what I'm saying. and if you work with an animal day in and day out you get to the point you can tell by way it acts

and I've worked with chickens when i was younger and not all chicken stay healthy they to get sick so like i said my point is how if they had that much contaminated frozen feeders did they not notice it in the live animals some part of the cleanliness process got over looked or side stepped to fill orders at some point maybe employ x went to the bathroom and was back-up at his section forgot to wash hands or something or maybe went to outside break area and put some contaminated chicken on the grill who knows who cares but there has to be some kind of standard set in place so this never happens again not just nuking the mice but quality control as far as if anything sold at least hourly I've been in couple different kraft factories and kal-can factories and seen them do hourly checks on food being sold at all stage of processing and car factories are the same qc once an hour on everything they process

i must say if they are working with the FDA to take steps to make sure this never happens again i take my hat off to them. but i can think of one good rule that would make something like this from ever happening again in other factories they do quality tests hourly once an hour all feeder sales people should do an in house test for salmonella contamination nothing can be shipped till test is all good. and must be kept on file or reported

I've seen pharmaceutical lab mice and how they are kept what use to be up-john in Kalamazoo Michigan had hairless mice they paid 1 million a piece for to use for drug testing totally clean even if got to go in room and breath the same air as them you had to be sterilized and have up-to date shots for everything and thats just to fix a blown plug-in receptacle

that is the only way they will get rid of or make sure stuff like this never happens again. even if they are just selling snake food but how do you feed a snake if you can never touch the bag they came in cause could have salmonella. (little drastic there but some of us got not only ourself to look after and pets but kids as-well) yes i think there should be very strict guide lines set in place to make sure nothing like this happens again no that don't mean shut them down but at least upgrade to comply with standards trade wide.

[Raptor]

meaning how could a place that shipped that many contaminated animals live or dead not notice some of the live ones were sick rember not all animals become carriers but get sick and die from it also is what I'm saying. and if you work with an animal day in and day out you get to the point you can tell by way it acts

and I've worked with chickens when i was younger and not all chicken stay healthy they to get sick so like i said my point is how if they had that much contaminated frozen feeders did they not notice it in the live animals some part of the cleanliness process got over looked or side stepped to fill orders at some point maybe employ x went to the bathroom and was back-up at his section forgot to wash hands or something or maybe went to outside break area and put some contaminated chicken on the grill who knows who cares but there has to be some kind of standard set in place so this never happens again not just nuking the mice but quality control as far as if anything sold at least hourly I've been in couple different kraft factories and kal-can factories and seen them do hourly checks on food being sold at all stage of processing and car factories are the same qc once an hour on everything they process

i must say if they are working with the FDA to take steps to make sure this never happens again i take my hat off to them. but i can think of one good rule that would make something like this from ever happening again in other factories they do quality tests hourly once an hour all feeder sales people should do an in house test for salmonella contamination nothing can be shipped till test is all good. and must be kept on file or reported

I've seen pharmaceutical lab mice and how they are kept what use to be up-john in Kalamazoo Michigan had hairless mice they paid 1 million a piece for to use for drug testing totally clean even if got to go in room and breath the same air as them you had to be sterilized and have up-to date shots for everything and thats just to fix a blown plug-in receptacle

that is the only way they will get rid of or make sure stuff like this never happens again. even if they are just selling snake food but how do you feed a snake if you can never touch the bag they came in cause could have salmonella. (little drastic there but some of us got not only ourself to look after and pets but kids as-well) yes i think there should be very strict guide lines set in place to make sure nothing like this happens again no that don't mean shut them down but at least upgrade to comply with standards trade wide.

For the love of all things holy..Use periods at the end of your sentences. Run on sentences make me head hurt.

Additionally, not all animals will look ill before they drop over dead. I used to raise guinea fowl chicks during the summers. Big batches at a time. Some mornings I'd look in and one of the healthy, spunky chicks from the previous night would be dead. Yesterday, I found a breeder mouse dead. The previous night she had been fine.

[MarkS]

Hey Ice#1, I just read a VERY SHOCKING REPORT right here... <shocking report>

Did you know that all paper money and coins can contains thousands of bacteria that can make you sick including many of the dreaded salmonella serotypes? Just think of all those hands these bills pass through every day, we could have a pandemic on our hands. As a public service to you and anyone else who may be terrified by this horrible threat, I'm offering to take all of those dirty paper bills off your hands. Just send them all to me and I'll dispose of them in a safe and proper fashion. I know it'll be a terrible burden, but I see it as my civic duty to protect all God fearing American citizens from this dreadful threat. (Heck, I'll even do it for you Canadians, because that's just the kind of helpful guy I am)

In the meantime though I suggest you take all of that righteous wrath that you seem to have in such abundance and march on the federal treasury building in Washington DC demanding that they cease circulating these foul diseased ridden notes of theirs. Think of the safety of the children for goodness sakes...

[wilomn]

Hey Ice#1, I just read a VERY SHOCKING REPORT right here... <shocking report>

Did you know that all paper money and coins can contains thousands of bacteria that can make you sick including many of the dreaded salmonella serotypes? Just think of all those hands these bills pass through every day, we could have a pandemic on our hands. As a public service to you and anyone else who may be terrified by this horrible threat, I'm offering to take all of those dirty paper bills off your hands. Just send them all to me and I'll dispose of them in a safe and proper fashion. I know it'll be a terrible burden, but I see it as my civic duty to protect all God fearing American citizens from this dreadful threat. (Heck, I'll even do it for you Canadians, because that's just the kind of helpful guy I am)

In the meantime though I suggest you take all of that righteous wrath that you seem to have in such abundance and march on the federal treasury building in Washington DC demanding that they cease circulating these foul diseased ridden notes of theirs. Think of the safety of the children for goodness sakes...

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[ice#1]

thats OK MarkS i use plastic not paper so go try to collect elsewhere

man you people are harsh look the other way when somebody goes and poisons over a dozen people in over a dozen states. but jump on the guy who say they need to get stricter rules to operate to make sure they keep people safe. guess everybody can see who could careless about other humans lives kids included. i'm sorry what did your mom or dad drop you on your head as a baby

heck I've seen people get more outraged for getting an over cooked steak then you guys get from possibly being poisoned

if you read there way of dealing with it notice they only agreed to cover cost of left over food not cover med bill of anybody infected that had to go to the ER or miss work


also think about it how is washing your hands going to get rid of it you before you can wash your hands have to turn on the water then wash your hands then turn the water off so unless somebody figured out a hands free in-home water faucet. just washing your hands does no good cause you got to touch what was contaminated to turn the water on to wash your hands thus getting the virus back on your hands



Raptor that is true not all will show signs of being sick but there will be sick ones in the population might only be 1 in 100 or 1 in 1000 but still they should check there sick animals there was warning signs before they ever gassed the animals to begin with Evan if only a dozen were sick in a whole plant of thousands of rodents. i to have had females drop dead litery in minutes of checking on them case in point. i just had a female die that was very heavily pregnant put her thing by herself went pee came back and she was dead so yes i know animals drop dead showing no signs but if you are running a business and say day before you had none drop dead then next day you got a dozen or half dozen dead that are close together in racks for respect for your customer wouldn't you go test some of your animals to make sure the rest don't die cause if not your running a very crappy business and just in it for the money. treating your customers right is what makes a good business grow while making a crappy one disappear.

like i said they are doing the right thing by showing they are trying to make sure this never happens again. and there not playing the blame game by trying to pass the buck they manned up and said OK lets fix this and make sure it never happens from us again. now since they did that the government needs to step forward and require all f/t foods be done this way no matter what or shut them down till they comply

MarkS i noticed how they left out info on old reports of money having cocaine and other drugs on money

[wolfy-hound]

You really missed all the facts presented, didn't you? There's sooo much wrong with your statements that I'm not going to attempt it, since you obviously aren't interested in anything but ranting and a massive vendetta.

*gives tinfoil for new hat* Have a nice day. I gotta go to work, where I shall attempt to touch all surfaces repeatedly and put my fingers into my mouth.. just to make you cringe.

[kellysballs]

I am going to start by saying I have absolutely no dog in this fight. I feed live. But some of the ignorance(I'm using this word in the nicest possible way) being spewed on this thread is a little more than I can take.

I am not trying to attack but to educate.

man you people are harsh look the other way when somebody goes and poisons over a dozen people in over a dozen states. but jump on the guy who say they need to get stricter rules to operate to make sure they keep people safe. guess everybody can see who could careless about other humans lives kids included.

Really? I mean REALLY????? You honestly think this way?
"somebody" didn't poison 17 people. 17 people did not practice effective hand washing or sanitary techniques when dealing with RAW DEAD ANIMALS.

also think about it how is washing your hands going to get rid of it you before you can wash your hands have to turn on the water then wash your hands then turn the water off so unless somebody figured out a hands free in-home water faucet. just washing your hands does no good cause you got to touch what was contaminated to turn the water on to wash your hands thus getting the virus back on your hands

Again you MUST be kidding, right?!? My 9yr old knows how to properly wash her hands. Please do yourself a favor take just one microbiology course. You'll feel better knowing how to properly wash your hands and sanitize your living area.

There are (according to Bergies Manual 9th edition) 1200 strains of Salmonella that exist. But a quick web search will tell you there are over 2500 species. Wonder which of them these 17 cases contracted?The only effective way to test which species is present is with antigens and that is expensive. You can test fairly inexpensively the type, but that will include MANY different species. Of the different types only certain ones are found in reptiles.

Here is an example: Last semester I was in Microbiology and I took an active air sample for bacteria inside the micro lab. (The micro lab is a very clean environment we sanitized floors, tables and counter tops daily.) Once I grew the bacteria colonies I collected, I tested it to see what I had. One of the bacteria types that grew on the plate was a species of Salmonella (didn't have antigens so I couldn't test it to the species level). And this was floating around in the air! So I really wonder just where these people actually contracted their strain of salmonella from.

Mice Direct seems to be taking the steps to deal with the problem but the fact of the matter is bacteria is every where and even once the rats are treated they will still have bacteria present. Especially when they sit on your counter all day and defrost.

The lesson to be learned here is WASH YOUR HANDS and SANITIZE YOUR AREA! Boycotts are not necessary, government oversight is not necessary. A little bit of personal responsibility is what is necessary here.

For those of you who are yelling about the mice direct facility being dirty, their animals being sick and Mice direct not following proper handling procedures for preparing their product.

I just want to know if you eat meat because I guarantee that the slaughter house your beef, chicken, pork and turkey come from is way nastier. Did you really think your hamburger came from a totally healthy cow ?

In the end it really doesn't matter if the rats are irradiated. You just can't regulate stupid. If people continue to not follow proper sanitation procedures when handling raw meat they will continue to get sick. Raw chicken for human consumption is irradiated, are you going to rub it all over your hands then eat a sandwich? No your probably not.

[jkobylka]

Being close to Mice Direct, I've been speaking with them throughout this process. A few things to remember:

1. FDA is on a hunt right now for salmonella in the pet food industry, because people handle the pet food. They are extremely thorough and I suspect that they would find contamination MANY rodent breeding operations. (On a side note, if salmonella is introduced to a colony at any point, *and there are MANY ways that can happen* there is no way to know you've eliminated it except by replacing the entire colony)
   
2. The rodents are extremely healthy, they are carriers of salmonella. Just like reptiles are.
   
3. The FDA microbiologist has assured them that this type of salmonella has no affect on reptiles, so there is no chance peoples reptiles will be affected
   
4. They have voluntarily began this irradiation process effectively deals with the salmonella. They are irradiating to levels that are even higher than what is required for human consumption. This process doesn't change the look, smell or taste of the rodents.

So in the end...

1. Yes they have a problem, it's a problem that only affects people who handle the rodents and do not wash their hands...
   
2. They are going above and beyond to fix the problem, possibly giving them one of the cleanest final product available.
   
3. They are happy to assist anyone who wishes to replace their recalled product with the new irradiated product.

I hope this is helpful!

Justin

[Raptor]

thats OK MarkS i use plastic not paper so go try to collect elsewhere

man you people are harsh look the other way when somebody goes and poisons over a dozen people in over a dozen states. but jump on the guy who say they need to get stricter rules to operate to make sure they keep people safe. guess everybody can see who could careless about other humans lives kids included. i'm sorry what did your mom or dad drop you on your head as a baby

heck I've seen people get more outraged for getting an over cooked steak then you guys get from possibly being poisoned

if you read there way of dealing with it notice they only agreed to cover cost of left over food not cover med bill of anybody infected that had to go to the ER or miss work


also think about it how is washing your hands going to get rid of it you before you can wash your hands have to turn on the water then wash your hands then turn the water off so unless somebody figured out a hands free in-home water faucet. just washing your hands does no good cause you got to touch what was contaminated to turn the water on to wash your hands thus getting the virus back on your hands



Raptor that is true not all will show signs of being sick but there will be sick ones in the population might only be 1 in 100 or 1 in 1000 but still they should check there sick animals there was warning signs before they ever gassed the animals to begin with Evan if only a dozen were sick in a whole plant of thousands of rodents. i to have had females drop dead litery in minutes of checking on them case in point. i just had a female die that was very heavily pregnant put her thing by herself went pee came back and she was dead so yes i know animals drop dead showing no signs but if you are running a business and say day before you had none drop dead then next day you got a dozen or half dozen dead that are close together in racks for respect for your customer wouldn't you go test some of your animals to make sure the rest don't die cause if not your running a very crappy business and just in it for the money. treating your customers right is what makes a good business grow while making a crappy one disappear.

like i said they are doing the right thing by showing they are trying to make sure this never happens again. and there not playing the blame game by trying to pass the buck they manned up and said OK lets fix this and make sure it never happens from us again. now since they did that the government needs to step forward and require all f/t foods be done this way no matter what or shut them down till they comply

MarkS i noticed how they left out info on old reports of money having cocaine and other drugs on money

Again. Run on sentences are bad. I'm getting tired of rereading your posts in order to understand what you're saying.

Not all animals are going to get sick from salmonella considering most of them carry it. The only ones that's going to get sick are ones that are young/old/extremely sick to begin with.

As a fyi, your dog/cat/bird/horse/etc can all carry salmonella. As can the chicken you buy from the store. Why do you think people are always saying to sanitize after handling raw chicken? Pork is also the same way, but I think that's due to worms.