Question for Bill & Tom & Anyone Else with "Specials"

[AaronP]

Has this been combined with the "Lesser/Butters" yet? I heard a rumor a while ago that the "Crystal" (Special Mojave) is basically a "Mojave Daddy" similar to the "Platty Daddy" or "Butter Daddy" that Ralph Davis has produced. The results of a Special x Butter/Lesser should prove or dispel that.

Oops! Can someone please move this to BP Morph & Genetics?

[LadyOhh]

I'm pretty sure someone out there did it with a Lesser.

I'll double check and get back to you.

[Bill Buchman]

Aaron, I have been breeding a few Butters this year -- no ovulations yet. The Butters from my original breeder male are BIG EATERS. Consequently, these 2008 girls are a little younger 24-28 months old -- but have the size. I am unaware that anyone is doing the Special x Butter pairing this year -- I may be it for 2010. I am hopeful about getting some eggs. Just not sure when??

Interesting theory Aaron! I know that BHB did a Special Lesser in 07 or 08? It did not resemble a Platty! I believe his gene is different than the Baker line. I found that BHB combo less appealing than the Baker Mojave Crystal. I am curious why we have not seen more of the BHB Special gene? Brian is not known to keep stuff hidden away.

[Patrick Long]

BHB's are done with a Lesser....but their specials are NOT the same specials that Baker has if I understand everything correctly.

[Patrick Long]

Interesting theory Aaron! I know that BHB did a Special Lesser in 07 or 08? It did not resemble a Platty! I believe his gene is different than the Baker line. I found that BHB combo less appealing than the Baker Mojave Crystal. I am curious why we have not seen more of the BHB Special gene? Brian is not known to keep stuff hidden away.

I believe the only made one. With only a male "special" may be totally off on that.

But it could also be that what they created wasnt in fact a "crystal" but something else non reproducible.

[AaronP]

Aaron, I have been breeding a few Butters this year -- no ovulations yet.

Hopefully those ovulations are only a few short days/weeks away! I'd really love to see what comes out of those eggs.

[jluman]

I heard a rumor a while ago that the "Crystal" (Special Mojave) is basically a "Mojave Daddy" similar to the "Platty Daddy" or "Butter Daddy" that Ralph Davis has produced. The results of a Special x Butter/Lesser should prove or dispel that.

No one needs to breed special x butter or lesser to disprove that rumor. Special is a visual morph, and the hidden gene animals that produce platinums just look like normals. They are obviously not the same thing.

[Bill Buchman]

No one needs to breed special x butter or lesser to disprove that rumor. Special is a visual morph, and the hidden gene animals that produce platinums just look like normals. They are obviously not the same thing.

I would tend to agree with Jeff as has produced a Daddy -- although "knowing" is doing -- and pairing has not been done to date.

I produced an animal in from a Butter x Normal pairing in 08 that I believe to be a Butter Daddy. He is breeding some girls -- normals and a couple morphs. Will take some time to prove him unless I get lucky and hit on a male non- Butter morph. I will be NO DOUBT be putting any male morph I get from him on a Butter girl when he is breeding ready!!!!!

[jluman]

Also, I am 99% sure that I have a hidden gene x mojave cross (mojave daddy?) in the egg, and it's not a crystal. It should be out towards the end of the week or over the weekend. I'll post pics when it's out.

[AaronP]

No one needs to breed special x butter or lesser to disprove that rumor. Special is a visual morph, and the hidden gene animals that produce platinums just look like normals. They are obviously not the same thing.

From the Specials I've seen it would seem to be pretty easy to miss one, I mean it isn't like the "Special" was purchased as a morph in the first place. Same thing applies with the likes of "Het. Super Stripes" all morphs have good and bad examples so I don't think it's unreasonable at all to imagine that a "Special" and the "Daddy" Gene carriers are the same thing.

That said I look forward to seeing what a "Mojave Daddy" would look like if it isn't a Crystal.