Why all loans should be drawn up in print.

[redstormlax12]

Thats brutal, especially since the female pin holds a kind of sentimetal value to you. A breeder that works multiple males to death in a season, doesn't hold up his word, sounds like a shady guy to me. I'd deffinetly never want to do business with them.

Hopefully he can rectify the situation and give you what you are owed. Goodluck.

[GenePirate]

That he allegedly worked his male to death is of no consequence to the deal. That is his error, and you are not responsible for paying for his mistake. You are owed a male, nothing less. I would accept nothing less. I hope someone forwards this thread to him so that he can witness a "united front." If he doesn't pony up, post his information.

[wilomn]

Sadly, even if you had a written contract for a breeding loan, and you had to travel to another State to get satisfaction from the courts, and then either pay a lawyer or settle for a limited judgment from a small claims court, which would then be up to you to collect through a writ of garnishment or some other method, it likely wouldn't be worth the effort.
If he's in the area, I would be inclined to offer Wes a percentage to collect the debt.

Travel expenses and something shiny to go in my rack with the other balls would suffice.

[WebbyD]

Would it be possible for you to put prices on all the snakes in question?

If the value is > $5,000 you can take him to small claims court. Yes it may not result in you getting everything you wanted but the money could help.

What forms of contact have you been using? Email, phone, text? Do you have some people who can corroborate your side of the story?

A simple draft of legal papers explaining to him that he is being sued might even be enough to get the ball rolling in your favor.

Theft and breach of contract are not small issues.

[WebbyD]

Sadly, even if you had a written contract for a breeding loan, and you had to travel to another State to get satisfaction from the courts, and then either pay a lawyer or settle for a limited judgment from a small claims court, which would then be up to you to collect through a writ of garnishment or some other method, it likely wouldn't be worth the effort.
If he's in the area, I would be inclined to offer Wes a percentage to collect the debt.

Depending on the judgement, he could recoup all expenses including travel costs, legal fees, etc. If it were me I'd proceed with the lawsuit.

[GenePirate]

What forms of contact have you been using? Email, phone, text? Do you have some people who can corroborate your side of the story?

Good idea. Often emails can prove intent in lieu of a contract.

[equinebeing]

If he's in the area, I would be inclined to offer Wes a percentage to collect the debt.

I can't help but wonder if Wes is the Luca Brasi figure or the Don Corleone figure who is going to "make them an offer they can't refuse."

[Royal Morphz]

Guys I appreciate all the responses. I still have faith my our mutual friends faith in him. I will give him time to decide to do the right thing.

[WebbyD]

Guys I appreciate all the responses. I still have faith my our mutual friends faith in him. I will give him time to decide to do the right thing.

I hope everything works out, I really do, but if for some reason it does not and you need to go to court over this issue be VERRY careful on how you go about this.

I know the normal feeling of wanting to threaten the person with the lawsuit, etc, blah blah blah, but do NOT do this!

Also be careful with how often and when you attempt to contact him. Harassment lawsuits can be filed against you... :/

If things go sour I would simply file papers without saying a word to him until he was legally required to know. Or at most tell him that you will be filing papers against him because the situation thus far has been unresolvable.

The less time he has to prepare the better off you are.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Sadly those days someone’s word does not mean much anymore…………….sad really.

Hope you get the resolution you are looking for Tim