Quote Originally Posted by joe23 View Post
the pinto pied is a het russo x pied. as far as i know its from the first breeding. no het russo het pied x het russo het pied.

the same happend with ralph davis blue eyed lucy pied (the whitest pied today). the breeding was lesser x pied.

somehow the pied gene works witht the lucy gene... (the pied is basically a lucy- just not complete lucy)
Sorry OT again but I thought RDR's had a lesser het pied father (and some sort of pied gene mother). I remember looking at his pictures of a lesser het pied wondering if lesser made it easier to see the het pied or not. My understanding was that all of these pied gene white or mostly white snakes where homozygous pied but that for some reason even one copy of lesser, mojave, or Vin Russo made the pied very high white or in the case of at least three of the lesser pieds all white. Rich Kensinger posted on KingSnake where he bred a pastel lesser het pied to a pied and produced both all white lesser pied and lesser het pied. There was a follow-up post to mine reporting that Kahl produced some pied lesser that aren’t all white so apparently it varies in lesser pieds.