Woma X Woma Poll

[WingedWolfPsion]

I know there are some folks around who have done this pairing, but there seems to be a lot of confusion. As a result, I am going to try a poll, and see what answers we get.
Please answer this poll ONLY if you personally have done a Woma X Woma pairing. NOT if you have done a hidden gene woma X hidden gene woma pairing, and NOT if you know someone who has crossed womas--answer only for yourself.
Thanks!

[rjs73]

I have a female that is due to lay on July 4th. I'll let you know if the eggs are good and in 60 days or so I'll let you know the results.

[Hypnotic Exotic]

I was actually talking to Brian at BHB about this at the NARBC show in Arlington. He said that to his knowledge, none of the Woma-Woma breedings have produced a super. Kind of the same thing as the Spiders and the Pinstripes. Only the Hidden Gene Woma (which does not have a hidden gene, it's just a completely different morph) produces the Pearl which can not survive. Personally, I think the Hidden Gene Woma should have been renamed as it causes confusion and there isn't a hidden gene anyway.

[loonunit]

I think the Hidden Gene Woma should have been renamed as it causes confusion and there isn't a hidden gene anyway.

Can you clarify what "there isn't a hidden gene anyway" means? ... I've always been confused by the NERD hidden genes and how they're supposed to work.

[loonunit]

Also, I though the lesser woma x woma survived?

[Oxylepy]

Can you clarify what "there isn't a hidden gene anyway" means? ... I've always been confused by the NERD hidden genes and how they're supposed to work.

The HG Woma isnt the combination of a Hidden Gene and a Woma. It looked like a Woma, then they produced amazing animals from it, and thought it may have been from a Hidden Gene, however as it turned out it's the same gene.

So an HG Woma is like a Lemon Pastel and the regular Woma is like a Pastel, they're 2 different single gene morphs.

If it were called a "Stunner" instead of an HG Woma then there would be none of this goofy confusion. Any other name than "Hidden Gene" wouldnt leave everyone confused as to what it is. But that name stuck around, and isnt going to change unless everyone decides to change it, which even getting everyone from this site to rename it wouldnt be enough.

[PYMOM]

oooops...voted before i read...sorry

[Oxylepy]

Also, I though the lesser woma x woma survived?

I want to know about this too... I've been wondering is people are trying to genetically diversify the HG Woma so that Pearls can be produced, and it would be cool if a Super Woma existed.

[WingedWolfPsion]

My understanding is that a super-pinstripe has actually been produced. Pinstripe is Dominant. The super looks like a pinstripe.

I also was under the impression that lemon pastel is just a line-bred color of pastel, and not a different gene. If you breed a lemon pastel to a pastel, don't you wind up with pastels and super-pastels that are simply intergrades? If it were a different gene, then even if you did get a super pastel from the cross, there should be distinct lemons and 'typical' pastels in the clutch, and I don't think that is the case.

But yes, "Hidden Gene Woma" has no hidden gene. It is simply not a woma. If you pop over to NERD's site and look at them, you will see that they don't look exactly like womas, either.

The purpose of this poll is to determine what the real story is with the genuine woma gene. If woma is co-dominant with a lethal super like HG Woma, then something should be popping out that does not survive, OR some eggs should fail to hatch.
If Woma is dominant, then we should notice no losses in woma X woma clutches, and we may need to test the resulting animals to see if any are actually supers.

[Hypnotic Exotic]

To clarify with my comment on Spiders and Pinstripes, I was not implying there is not a homozygous form, just that there isn't a super. Has a homozygous Spider been produced? Obviously the only advantage of these would be all Spider or Pinstripe offspring.