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    Lessers and Butters

    I know genetically these are pretty much the same snake...but how do you actually distinguish one from the other visually?

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    Re: Lessers and Butters

    Personally, I don't believe that you can.

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    Re: Lessers and Butters

    I don't believe that they're different in the sense of being two discreet alleles (like mojave is clearly discreet and distinct from the "b'lessers"). However, I do think that the original lines of each morph had a distinct "look" to them that could (with selective breeding!) be retained in modern bloodlines -- if only to give meaning to the distinction between the two!

    To my eye, a butter looks to have a more uniform brown/gold tone to its coloration (they look "smooth," like, well, butter ) while the lessers should have a bright, popping pattern with a "cool" colored background for a higher-contrast look.

    Is that a subtle distinction? Yeah, probably. Do I think you could tell them apart without knowing for sure? Nope, not at all -- especially not if you have someone with "lessers" who has been breeding them for a more "butter" look or vise versa, or if you have babies from a butter x lesser breeding -- at that point I think you'd best just call them all "b'lessers."

    I liken it to different lines of pastel ... To me, a lemon pastel should be super bright yellow, high-contrast, with a very busy pattern of stark black overlaying the yellow, while a Graziani should be a very clean yellow or straw blond with a reduced/banded pattern with lots of blushing. But they don't stay that way without selective breeding, so as everyone knows, nowadays you can't buy a pastel based on the bloodline you like; you have to go with the individual animal.

    So there. (Dang I type a lot.) Here's my butter and my lesser. Can you tell which is which?




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    Re: Lessers and Butters

    Comparing with the lesser and butter i have, i would say on the first picture, the snake on top, with the more yellow is the butter?
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    Re: Lessers and Butters

    Lol. I was going to say the opposite. The one with more yellow is the lesser (the one on top).
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    Re: Lessers and Butters

    im 99% sure that the lighter one is the lesser.

    butters look more brownish to the eye while lessers are mostly lighter to the eye...

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    Re: Lessers and Butters

    I think butters are lighter then lessers. Almost every butter I have seen has been very light. While the lessers I see are sometimes light and sometimes dark.
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    Re: Lessers and Butters

    Quote Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana View Post
    So there. (Dang I type a lot.) Here's my butter and my lesser. Can you tell which is which?
    The one on top is an absolutely gorgeous lesser (the lighter one).

    Here is a fun set to try and distinguish:




    I'd hate to run into a clutch containing both.
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    Ball Pythons 1.1 Lesser, Pastel
    1.0 Lesser Pastel, 0.0.7 mixed babies

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    Re: Lessers and Butters

    Most folks did get it right -- the one on top (in the first picture; body is on the bottom in the 2nd) is my male lesser; the other is the female butter. (Who, sadly, is actually a year older than him but a MUCH less voracious feeder She's making her bumblebee future boyfriend very disappointed.)

    Oxylepy, I'd guess that the first guy in your post is the butter, 2nd is the lesser ...

    I wonder if the two lines will be kept relatively separate, or in a few years we'll start calling them all the same thing.

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    Re: Lessers and Butters

    very interesting, our lesser/butter are completely the other way round:

    Lesser:



    Butter:

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