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    Re: New to ball pythons and need desperate help!

    Tank size is good.
    Toss the log. Get another cave identical to the one you have. Put one on the hot side, one on the cool. You don't want him not thermoregulating because he's only comfortable in one spot.
    Scrap the lights if possible (see below). If ambient temps drop below 75, use the infrared over the water dish.
    Moss is fine, just don't keep it WET or it could lead to scale rot.
    Night drops are not necessary.
    Prey size is good. 10-15% of his body weight up to 150g is another thing to use.

    Get something to heat the tank from underneath. Ball pythons are nocturnal, so any light is just unnatural for them, and they use belly heat to digest. You can use the heat pads, but in my experience a product called Flexwatt heat tape is exponentially cheaper. I got it from http://www.reptilebasics.com. Get a piece that will cover 1/3 to 1/2 of the tank bottom. I'm thinking a foot of the 11" wide will do. You can cut between the black lines to fit. Get the clips and have them attach it for you (free). Get some foil tape to attach it (walmart probably). It's really sticky and holds up to heat better than duct tape or any other.

    You also need a thermostat no matter what you're heating with. This is probably the best for the price. There is much better out there, but this should be fine for one snake. Place the probe between the Flexwatt and the glass with foil tape.

    You need something digital and preferably with a probe to measure the temps. Dial gauges and stick-ons are useless. There's a common one called the AccuRite Indoor/Outdoor Weather Station. It's found around the lightbulbs/DIY section of walmart. Also found at Home Depot or possibly Lowe's. The alternative is a temp gun, which is probably more accurate, but you have to move the hide and substrate to measure the glass under it. Place the probe under the substrate under the hot hide right against the glass of the enclosure above the Flexwatt. Use this reading to set the thermostat. You want something in the low 90's.

    I know I wrote a lot, but all I'm really saying is switch to belly heat and get a digital thermometer.

    It's good you moved him somewhere quieter. Him hiding is a good sign. When you feed, don't remove his hide. Just drop it in and watch. NEVER leave a live rodent alone with him. Then leave him alone for two days or he might puke. Yeah, not good.

    I think you've done pretty well so far. One last warning: don't listen to petshops! They're notorious for giving out bad information. And ball pythons are notorious for not eating, so try not to let it stress you out. They can go up to a year if they're big enough.

    Read the caresheet if you haven't. Man, I'm long-winded! Good luck and enjoy your cool pet.

    Crap, one more thing. Change will stress him out to some degree no matter what. It's better to change everything for the better sooner rather than later, because the benefits of the change will alleviate probably more stress than the change itself causes.
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    Re: New to ball pythons and need desperate help!

    Wow, thank you so much. All that information has become so much more helpful to me! I will be getting a digi thermo and a undertank heater ASAP. I actually had the under tank heater in my hands at the pet shop and the guy just told me to use the daylight and nightlight and it would be fine, and actually made be put it back! He also told me to handle him after a few days! I'm glad to have people who actually know what they are talking about helping me out aha. So my question now is, I plan on leaving him alone for a while but the thing is, the hide he has right now is the half log. I want to switch it to the cave but the thing is, the tank isn't big enough for identical caves or even another hide, I only have room for the water dish because it is so big. This is a list of things I could put in.

    I have a small tree with plastic leaves
    a small log
    a half log
    a cave hide
    and a big water dish.

    Also, I think I might take the moss out because I sprayed it with water the first day I got him, the pet shop guy told me that it would increase humidity and help him. I've been trying extremely hard but I think I am just listening to the wrong people.

    Thank you for all your support

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    Re: New to ball pythons and need desperate help!

    Well, just get rid of that big water dish, he doesn't need a swimming pool. Just a watering hole.

    You can sometimes get away with only one hide, it depends on the snake.

    I applaud you for trying to do right by your little guy by coming here, and for having the sense and the guts to realize those pet shop people are only concerned with one thing, making you spend money.

    It will take a little tweaking, but you'll get there. In the meantime, try not to freak if he won't eat. I had a couple of new hatchlings that went 8 weeks without eating.

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    Re: New to ball pythons and need desperate help!

    Yea, I actually just surrounded his tank in a grey towel to cover the openings in the glass too. I want him to be as comfortable as possible! Yes I am glad I came to this site, you guys have helped me so much. I am getting a smaller water dish as soon as possible probably the same time I go to get the heating pad. is it okay to check up on him often or should I just not go in the room at all for a week? and also I put the mouse on the cool side of the cage outside it to try to taunt him to come out and make him more hungry > I just wanna see him outside his hide tonight

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    Re: New to ball pythons and need desperate help!

    just go in to check his temps and humidity and for poop or anything. try to be as quiet as possible too.
    when u feed him just place it in front of the hide or its head just inside. he will eat better if he feels safe and secure.
    u dont want to see him out of his hide, that means he is stressed and isnt happy, or just testing the limits of his new home. the less u see him the better. these snakes are solitary animals, they like to hide. if u want to see ur snake all the time, you got the wrong kind my friend. i only see mine when cleaning, feeding, or handling once or twice a week
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    Re: New to ball pythons and need desperate help!

    so when i go to handle him if he is in hiding should I just take his hiding off and try to pick him up? I just dont wanna stress him anymore, I plan on leaving him alone and not handling him till his first meal next week since he didn't want to feed today. thanx for all the advice this has really really helped me !

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    Re: New to ball pythons and need desperate help!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Marley View Post
    so when i go to handle him if he is in hiding should I just take his hiding off and try to pick him up? I just dont wanna stress him anymore, I plan on leaving him alone and not handling him till his first meal next week since he didn't want to feed today. thanx for all the advice this has really really helped me !
    once he is adjusted, just open the enclosure and pick him up. dont be too fast or rough or u might get hissed at or even struck at.
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    Re: New to ball pythons and need desperate help!

    I have no clue if this has been mentioned. But what I do/heard is that don't feed your BP in the cage you keep him in because it will eventually get used to it and then when you reach into the cage to handle him, he might mistake your hand for food. I feed mine out of it on my rug.
    I'm new to this whole thing too lol

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    Re: New to ball pythons and need desperate help!

    I've been handling mine everyday since I've owned him. He's about 6weeks old I believe. I remove the hide, pet him? I guess, then wait for him to move so I know he's awake, after that I pick him up.
    Mine was really shy and scared too when I started doing this. I just held him in my hand when he was wrapped in a ball then waited until he got comfortable and he eventually started unwrapping/moving around.

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    Re: New to ball pythons and need desperate help!

    Quote Originally Posted by bRy View Post
    I have no clue if this has been mentioned. But what I do/heard is that don't feed your BP in the cage you keep him in because it will eventually get used to it and then when you reach into the cage to handle him, he might mistake your hand for food. I feed mine out of it on my rug.
    I'm new to this whole thing too lol


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