Help with breeding..cheap first project?

[benk8805]

Well I guess I kindof misspoke. It is more of being a poor college student and trying to get the morph I desire on somewhat of a budget.

After I looked at some really bad cases of the head wobble, I think I may change my mind a bit haha.

One more question...what could a cross between a pastel and a mojave yield?

[Jeremy78]

Don't forget though. The odds are PER EGG. So in theory it will give you fifty percent normals fifty percent morphs. In reality each egg has a 50% chance of being a morph.

Any co-dom morph can be bred to a normal and produce that morph. An example is breeding a mojaveXnormal. In theory the clutch would yield 50/50. In my opinion, money shouldn't be one of the first things on your mind when breeding. 99% of people that breed do it because they love the specie/morph and truly want to experience the breeding process, from copulation to hatching.

You should choose the morphs you love, not the ones you can make a buck off of. And by the time you have some hatchlings to sell, prices will have more than likely drastically dropped.

As far as the genetics, you need to read the basic genetic guide and become familiar with the dominant/co-dom/recessive genes. Spiders are co-dom so a spider to spider cross will yield all spiders.

[don15681]

one thing, you don't want to breed spider to spider. Since there is no super form, plus the so called fatal gene. you don't gain anything from spider to spider than breeding spider to normal.

plus spider to spider doesn't throw all spiders.

if you're going to get into breeding. buy your female first. they take more time to reach breeding size than the male. why have a male sitting around while the female gets to size. if you wait the male will be cheaper by time the female gets close to size. In the meantime while you wait. do alot of research on them, sounds like you need to do this, and a few others who answer this post. when it's time to breed you will know what's going on and have the basic down for breeding. It's not hard to do, if you have a foundation on what's going on. This is the perfect site to do some reading, take notes, before asking questions. Alot of what you're asking will be answer by reading.

[Kaorte]

Well I guess I kindof misspoke. It is more of being a poor college student and trying to get the morph I desire on somewhat of a budget.

After I looked at some really bad cases of the head wobble, I think I may change my mind a bit haha.

One more question...what could a cross between a pastel and a mojave yield?

A mojave to a pastel will yield Pastaves, mojaves, pastels, and normals.

Keep in mind also that if you are a poor college student that starting breeding will be EXPENSIVE. You will need a rack, a thermostat for the rack, an incubator, a thermostat for the incubator, incubator tubs and media, housing for all of the babies and food for all of the snakes.

You have to plan for the worst case scenario in which you cannot sell or re-home any of the babies. It happens sometimes and people can easily get overwhelmed.

I am not trying to tell you not to breed but it seems like you are rather new to ball pythons and I just want to make sure you know what you are getting yourself into

Also, which ever snake(s) you buy you will have to raise up to adult breeding weight before you can breed. With females this takes about 2-3 years. Buying adult female morphs is MUCH more expensive then buying hatchlings. So even if you planned on breeding now, it would take you 2-3 years before you would have your first clutch which gives you plenty of time to learn everything you need to know.

Also, since you are really just going for a cool morph that you like, check this page out. Maybe it will give you some ideas:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ollection.html

[benk8805]

Yea I basically asked this question initially because I would be buying hatchlings at the moment since I dont have the budget to get adults and all the equipment.

I want to buy two hatchlings of different morphs and breed them in a few years. By that time I will have the money to get all the neccessary equipment. So my question really is..what fairly cheap hatchlings could I buy that would eventually yield some cool morphs?

I am thinking mojave with something else, so give me some ideas as to what I could breed a mojave with to make somethin really neat. thanks.

[benk8805]

If someone could link or direct me to a site where it shows the breakdown of the common morphs and what two morphs yield it, that would be great.

[stevepoppers]

Spider gene is dominant, people. Reference. Spider x Spider yield will depend on whether or not the parents are homo- or heterozygous.

That site is also great for it's morph list. I usually use it or google to check out a morph.

I've heard from tons of people who own spiders that the wobble doesn't affect the snake's quality of life, and that their spiders have the best personalities. The wobble is not a detriment, some people just feel like it is. If you like spiders, I'd say give them a shot. Oh, and bees DO have the wobble, because they're just spiders with a 2nd paintjob on top.

Look in the other ball python forum sections for ideas for pairings. There are some really amazing things done with mojaves.

[dr del]

Hi,

There is still room for quite a lot of debate about that.

Until someone has a proven homozygous spider then we can't be certain it is dominant as far as I understand it. And nobody has, as yet, come forward with a homozygous spider.

What if the homozygous form is different but lethal? Wouldn't that make it co-dominant?

Nothing is ever as simple as we'd hope with these animals.


dr del

[stevepoppers]

So no one's ever had a spider that only threw spiders? I haven't heard of this lethal gene; I'm looking it up right now.

[Kaorte]

So no one's ever had a spider that only threw spiders? I haven't heard of this lethal gene; I'm looking it up right now.

I am sure someone has at some point done a spider to spider and maybe they have gotten all spiders. That still doesn't mean that it is homozygous. You would need to breed the suspected homozygous to a normal and it should produce all spiders (right?)