should i even ????

[moravaguy]

ok this guy is from this year, he has a sister that is almost the same, him and her are the only ones that have such a nice partcial stripe. should i breed them together and see what happens? btw they are both just from a normal x normal

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[stevepoppers]

I've read a few inbreeding threads, and people usually say that breeding parent to offspring just to prove something out is fine, but breeding siblings is generally eschewed as more risky, genetically speaking.

[TessadasExotics]

I'd say no to siblings.

[dr del]

Hi,

Honestly? I would.

He said normal x normal parents with no mention of either parent having that pattern.

I intend to breed a brother/ sister together when they get old enough for exactly the same reason. In my case I know both parents were CF or WC so are unlikely to be closely related.


dr del

[WingedWolfPsion]

Ball pythons seem to be pretty sturdy when it comes to tolerating inbreeding. I'm not sure this question was even about that, but more about whether it was worth a try. I'd say, go for it, and see what happens.

[stevepoppers]

I'd listen to Dr. Del.

I figured it was about inbreeding. It's definitely worth a try if your not worried about that.

[moravaguy]

Hi,

Honestly? I would.

He said normal x normal parents with no mention of either parent having that pattern.

I intend to breed a brother/ sister together when they get old enough for exactly the same reason. In my case I know both parents were CF or WC so are unlikely to be closely related.


dr del

sorry about the no info on the parents but these snakes do look kinda like the parents put together but just different from all their sibs, its the stripe and the lighter coloring of them that separtes them from the group and the moma was bought at a pet store in 1994 as a normal and the daddy was actually given to me buy someone who got it from a breeder that did many morphs but never said anything special about him...

[jallenfl]

I see no reason why not.

Many of the genetic traits we have today are simply the result of this type of breeding. Imagine if every breeder large or small decided against this. Where would we be morph wise?

Line breeding or inbreeding for that matter are the breaking grounds for what makes a morph a morph. Without this type of breeding we would not know what was what in the end and would most likely not be able to prove many traits to be genetic. This goes for many of the great reptiles we have available today.

Only word of advice I have is to try and keep your generations as minimal as possible. I tend not to cross the F4 card to much as I have had some experiences that didnt pan out for me. Not saying this will be every case but I tend to draw the line on myself. Although I have seen some F9 generation Hypo Boas before and I am sure many breeders have ventured far beyond this in the creation of new outstanding mutations but I have to say from the F1 generation to the F9 they only became more outstanding visually as far as the boas go.

J

[TessadasExotics]

Really? Really?

Does no one really understand how things work? Or does not knowing make it ok? If you inbreed sib to sib it is much worse than line breeding. Secondly if you inbreed or line breed 2-4 or 20 generations and then sell any of the offspring. Someone who gets one of the babies later on down the line, may in turn do the same thing because "it's cool, ok, and widely acceptable" to do. Now the further down the line you go it now goes from being inbred not just 2-4 or 20 but now its 20-40 or 200 generations.

Just saying and trying to make a point.

Once again. Inbreeding is not acceptable (or at least shouldn't be) and shouldn't be practiced. Line breeding should only be done to prove out a trait.

[stevepoppers]

If someone gets "one" of the babies down the line, they wouldn't be able to breed to it's sibling, would they? They would be forced to out breed for at least a generation, putting fresh blood into the mix. I don't think anyone here is planning for going any longer than what you just deemed acceptable. Someone even mentioned their problems from doing so.

Not knowing does effectively make it ok, because, well, that's the effect of not knowing it's not ok.