New from africa !!!

[Ryan Young]

I am in the camp that butters and lessers are the same morph. I think that since they look the same and both of them can and do make the combo that has "daddy" before it as well as BELs with bug eyes it sure sounds the same to me.
I was looking at your site and you have some great stuff and I saw your AU caramels. Have you proved that out yet? I would also say that snake is probably in this group as well. I guess I am curious to see since you have a straberry cream, Ultramel, and AU caramel are you planning on breeding them together? I can see the fanancial reasons not to as having some of them being new morphs for as long as possible would make them worth more. The same thing worked well for the Butters.

Here is a pic that I hope helps with my point. These two snakes are both Lav Albinos. They are the same morph and all the babies would be Lavs. If you look at those two they look less like eachother than any of the snakes in the group we are talking about and yet no one is trying to call them seperate morphs.



Ryan Young

[AaronP]

Looks cool but reminds me of an Utramel. You know how you test that theory? Well since Ultramels are Recessive, simply breed an Ultramel to it, if you the animals you get look like mom/dad then you have your answer.

Frankly, as an unproven morph (if it turns out to be genetic, I have no doubts that it will, but it is unproven) everyone is just guessing at this point.

To be honest, I hope it doesn't turn out to be co-dominate though.

[Toronto Python Gurus]

I am in the camp that butters and lessers are the same morph. I think that since they look the same and both of them can and do make the combo that has "daddy" before it as well as BELs with bug eyes it sure sounds the same to me.
I was looking at your site and you have some great stuff and I saw your AU caramels. Have you proved that out yet? I would also say that snake is probably in this group as well. I guess I am curious to see since you have a straberry cream, Ultramel, and AU caramel are you planning on breeding them together? I can see the fanancial reasons not to as having some of them being new morphs for as long as possible would make them worth more. The same thing worked well for the Butters.

Here is a pic that I hope helps with my point. These two snakes are both Lav Albinos. They are the same morph and all the babies would be Lavs. If you look at those two they look less like eachother than any of the snakes in the group we are talking about and yet no one is trying to call them seperate morphs.



Ryan Young

I would have to agree, there are dirty dark pastels and very nice yellow bright pastels, I wouldnt call them different morphs because they look different, they are both still pastels. . . When I first started there were already enough morphs for me to try and remember and figure out now for all those newbies out there it just gets more confusing, I always have numerous emails in the inbox asking the difference between this and that. I have seen Pieds come from Africa mixed into bags with normals now you don't see people calling them something new because they are a new line of pieds from Africa they are still pieds. If a morph is really something different like blue, green and purple then prove it out and call it rainbow ball but if it is a snake that looks like a morph that is already proven then contact the breeder who produced it ask questions send them pictures, then prove yours out and see what comes of it. . . .just my two cents


All in all great project, again I'm betting it's recessive and i'm sure the snake has a bright future breeding with you guys. . . best of luck!