Male Spider Mate

[cinderbird]

The only problem, and I think it's one that most people don't think about, is this;
lets say I line breed my co-dom/ dom/ recessive male snake back to his mother, (because I don’t want to purchase/care for a few more snakes to do it without line breeding) I now have inbred offspring. Now I sell these offspring to someone else. This person now has the same dilemma. Do I line breed or do I take the time/effort/money to get what I want? Now they too line breed this already inbred snake. It goes on and on down the line. Generation after generation.
So you see you may not want to line breed generation after generation, but you are setting it up for others to do it.

One of our goals is to produce Dreamsicles. We are getting the snakes to do it without line breeding. Yes it will take longer and will cost more in the long run, but we are going to produce (in our own opinion) healthier more genetically sound animals than some others may.

We choose not to line breed. Now If we ever end up with a one of a kind snake that we want to prove out. Then of course we may have to line breed. This is in our opinions the only time it should be acceptible to do so.

i know there are 100 threads on this, but I'll say this again.

Reptiles are much simpler than mammals are. Line or inbreeding, even for multiple generations seems to have very little, if any ill effects (this does NOT count problems that morphs already have; kinking in caramels, one eyed albino boas, etc).

Corn snakes, I've read, have been inbred for about 11 generations (possibly 12 or 13 now since its been a few years since i read this article that for the life of me i can not find again im TRULY sorry :/ ).

I;ve taken genetics classes and read up on this as it pertains to humans. In and line breeding increase the possibility of something "bad" being passed on as well as something "good". Genetic bottle necks are one of the ways new species come about (think of island animal populations). Terrestrial animals can't just go over to the mainland to get some new blood into the mix. Birds have it differently, but even the galapagos finches had to stay there long enough and breed in order to develop all the different types.

If inbreeding through multiple generations is a problem for you, don't sell a customer a 1.1 pair of something they intend to breed together that are related. (any hets or codoms). Except.. some animals (like the spider) only originated from a single WC animal, they're all related somehow because they carry the same gene, However, being a domimant, no one really bothers to breed spiders together. They're probably one of the most outcrossed bp morphs there are.

Other issues you run into are making sure your genes are compatible, with ghosts especially. There are 4 or 5 different types, 2/3 of which wont work with another, multiple lines of axanthic, etc.

I do plan on doing some limited inbreeding in my stock when i start breeding. One of the species I keep isn't very common, especially as a captive bred animal. Do i inbreed or work with wild caught stock, do i do both? who knows.

I have the upmost respect for the way you plan on doing your dreams--dont get me wrong. It seems lsike a great way to get some amazing outcrossed morphs.

Line breeding is the way genetics are refined, look at almost any type of animal bred for something (i wouldn't include domestic dogs in this, as that is an ENTIRELY different thing and i've got my own hangups on that) but cats, birds, fish, rodents, etc. Use the traits you like, get rid of the ones you don't. If you happen to find an amazing animal with the same traits unrealated to your current stock, holy jesus jump on that! I'm just saying we aren't all that lucky.

(look at crested geckos for some amazing line bred traits).

Hopefully that wasn't too long and off topic.

To the OP, honey bees are a great project. Take a look at the axanthic killer bee on NERD's page too. super sweet.