thanks a lot guys. i few things to maybe help out as well.... i have a nice picture of her in my gallery of her balled up in my hand and u can get a better idea of her color [url=http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=30506&c=member&imageuser=16865][img] . and this week when i was taking her poop out of the cage it did have a bad smell to it and i know it was different then the weeks before cuz the smell didnt hit me the way it did this time.