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What is wrong with my baby? =(
My female ball python is about 2 ft long and thats how big she was when i bought her 3 1/2 months ago. She had not eatin' at all for me up until tonight, yet somehow i found very liquidy feces in her tank that had some white spots in it 2 days ago! what could that have been from, and what do i need to do??
im a noob to the snake world! but they are just so fascinating! 
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Re: What is wrong with my baby? =(
Before we can fully help you, you'll need to help us by giving up some information.
- Type of enclosure and size
- Heating method
- Are you measuring temperatures?
- If so, what are they?
- Humidity
- Substrate
- Hides?
And last but not least, how often have you been offering food, what prey item, and how?
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Re: What is wrong with my baby? =(
sounds like pee with some urates. I would start with this...what is your set up....what are your hot temps...cool side temps...how many hides...substrate...humidity?
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Re: What is wrong with my baby? =(
 Originally Posted by Moofins07
Before we can fully help you, you'll need to help us by giving up some information.
- Type of enclosure and size
- Heating method
- Are you measuring temperatures?
- If so, what are they?
- Humidity
- Substrate
- Hides?
And last but not least, how often have you been offering food, what prey item, and how?
it is a 29 gallon glass tank, roughly 89 or 90 degrees during the day, 80-82 at night(measured in the middle of the tank). i am using a heat lamp and a heating pad underneath the tank. my humidity is floating between 35-50(which leads to my next ? of how can i get more humidity). im using woodchips as the substrate and i have only one hide which is fake carved log she can go under and i have a climbing branch for her that she never climbs on.
As for the food. At first i was offering live small mice atleast twice a week and eventually i just started trying like once every 2 weeks and i even tried switching to f/t mice and she didnt go for them either. The mice would literally walk up to her face and she just wouldnt go for them. So tonight i decided she was scaring me a little too much so i force-fed her 3 little pinkie mice and it went well, but they were so tiny i might do the same tomorrow.
im a noob to the snake world! but they are just so fascinating! 
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Re: What is wrong with my baby? =(
 Originally Posted by hughman 125
it is a 29 gallon glass tank, roughly 89 or 90 degrees during the day, 80-82 at night(measured in the middle of the tank). i am using a heat lamp and a heating pad underneath the tank. my humidity is floating between 35-50(which leads to my next ? of how can i get more humidity). im using woodchips as the substrate and i have only one hide which is fake carved log she can go under and i have a climbing branch for her that she never climbs on.
As for the food. At first i was offering live small mice atleast twice a week and eventually i just started trying like once every 2 weeks and i even tried switching to f/t mice and she didnt go for them either. The mice would literally walk up to her face and she just wouldnt go for them. So tonight i decided she was scaring me a little too much so i force-fed her 3 little pinkie mice and it went well, but they were so tiny i might do the same tomorrow.
You should get rid of that heat lamp. They only need an ambient air temperature of 80 degrees. As well, getting rid of the heat lamp will allow you to keep the humidity at a good level much easier.
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Re: What is wrong with my baby? =(
 Originally Posted by hughman 125
it is a 29 gallon glass tank, roughly 89 or 90 degrees during the day, 80-82 at night(measured in the middle of the tank). i am using a heat lamp and a heating pad underneath the tank. my humidity is floating between 35-50(which leads to my next ? of how can i get more humidity). im using woodchips as the substrate and i have only one hide which is fake carved log she can go under and i have a climbing branch for her that she never climbs on.
As for the food. At first i was offering live small mice atleast twice a week and eventually i just started trying like once every 2 weeks and i even tried switching to f/t mice and she didnt go for them either. The mice would literally walk up to her face and she just wouldnt go for them. So tonight i decided she was scaring me a little too much so i force-fed her 3 little pinkie mice and it went well, but they were so tiny i might do the same tomorrow.
The first thing I see is the temps. BP's don't really need a night drop. You should be maintaining the warm side at around 90F and the cool side (ambient) should be around 79-80'ish. That way they can move from side to side to thermoregulate. If you are not using a thermostat or dimmer to control the Under Tank Heater, you need to get one or you are running a very real chance of your snake getting burned. If you need any more info on any of this, just ask.
Next is the way you are measuring the temps. If you are using those stick-on dial or tape gages, they are notorious for giving incorrect readings. A good digital thermometer like the Acu-Rite weather station will give you more accurate readings, as well as, the humidity. They are basically an indoor/outdoor thermometer with a probe. You place the base unit on the cool side and run the probe over to the warm side and place it under the substrate, over the UTH. That way it will tell you what the glass temp is. You can get them at Home Depot or Lowes in the outdoor section or you might find one at Wal-Mart in the home Hardware section for about $12.
Now for the hides. The log hides are not ideal for ball pythons. They prefer a tight fitting darker place to hide. There are all kinds of styles and brands that are more suited for a BP, but since your snake is still young and has alot of growing to do, I would suggest going to someplace like the dollar store and picking up a couple of plastice cereal/soup bowls and cutting or melting a hole in the side that is a little bit larger than the girth of your snake. T he reason you need 2 of them is that BP's will choose security over comfort, so if you have 2 of the same dark,snug hides then you BP will thermoregulate more readily. You can buy more expensive and pretty hides, but I suggest the bowls because they are only going to cost you about $3 and your snake will need bigger hides in a few months anyway.
Now, for the tank. If you have not done it, you should cover three sides of the tank. You can use anything like cardboard, construction paper, black poster board, or aquarium scenery. The goal is to make the tank seem smaller and not so open to the snake. I am guessing that your tank has a screen lid. Cover at least 2/3 of it with something like aluminum foil. Some people will use the aluminum foil tape on top as another option. Unless you are somewhere with temps below 75F, You shouldn't need the lamp, but if you need, or want it, just leave a spot open in the aluminum for the lamp to sit. An open screen and running the lamp alot is where all of your humidity is going.
I would not force feed her any more. I suspect she isn't eating due to stress brought about by temperature and security issues. Forcing her to eat without the correct temps to help digestion may cause her to regurgitate. I would start by making some modifications to the tank and investing in a couple pieces of equipment first. Once she feels secure in the tank and has the good temps, she will probably start eating again...
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Re: What is wrong with my baby? =(
 Originally Posted by Vypyrz
The first thing I see is the temps. BP's don't really need a night drop. You should be maintaining the warm side at around 90F and the cool side (ambient) should be around 79-80'ish. That way they can move from side to side to thermoregulate. If you are not using a thermostat or dimmer to control the Under Tank Heater, you need to get one or you are running a very real chance of your snake getting burned. If you need any more info on any of this, just ask.
Next is the way you are measuring the temps. If you are using those stick-on dial or tape gages, they are notorious for giving incorrect readings. A good digital thermometer like the Acu-Rite weather station will give you more accurate readings, as well as, the humidity. They are basically an indoor/outdoor thermometer with a probe. You place the base unit on the cool side and run the probe over to the warm side and place it under the substrate, over the UTH. That way it will tell you what the glass temp is. You can get them at Home Depot or Lowes in the outdoor section or you might find one at Wal-Mart in the home Hardware section for about $12.
Now for the hides. The log hides are not ideal for ball pythons. They prefer a tight fitting darker place to hide. There are all kinds of styles and brands that are more suited for a BP, but since your snake is still young and has alot of growing to do, I would suggest going to someplace like the dollar store and picking up a couple of plastice cereal/soup bowls and cutting or melting a hole in the side that is a little bit larger than the girth of your snake. T he reason you need 2 of them is that BP's will choose security over comfort, so if you have 2 of the same dark,snug hides then you BP will thermoregulate more readily. You can buy more expensive and pretty hides, but I suggest the bowls because they are only going to cost you about $3 and your snake will need bigger hides in a few months anyway.
Now, for the tank. If you have not done it, you should cover three sides of the tank. You can use anything like cardboard, construction paper, black poster board, or aquarium scenery. The goal is to make the tank seem smaller and not so open to the snake. I am guessing that your tank has a screen lid. Cover at least 2/3 of it with something like aluminum foil. Some people will use the aluminum foil tape on top as another option. Unless you are somewhere with temps below 75F, You shouldn't need the lamp, but if you need, or want it, just leave a spot open in the aluminum for the lamp to sit. An open screen and running the lamp alot is where all of your humidity is going.
I would not force feed her any more. I suspect she isn't eating due to stress brought about by temperature and security issues. Forcing her to eat without the correct temps to help digestion may cause her to regurgitate. I would start by making some modifications to the tank and investing in a couple pieces of equipment first. Once she feels secure in the tank and has the good temps, she will probably start eating again...
thanks vypyrs! taking it all in!
im a noob to the snake world! but they are just so fascinating! 
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Re: What is wrong with my baby? =(
 Originally Posted by bsash
You should get rid of that heat lamp. They only need an ambient air temperature of 80 degrees. As well, getting rid of the heat lamp will allow you to keep the humidity at a good level much easier.
bsash, i have the heatlamp over the left half of the water bowl because i was told it will evaperate the water and make more humidity
im a noob to the snake world! but they are just so fascinating! 
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BPnet Veteran
Re: What is wrong with my baby? =(
 Originally Posted by hughman 125
bsash, i have the heatlamp over the left half of the water bowl because i was told it will evaperate the water and make more humidity
Heat lamps are just plain killers of humidity, you don't need to use them unless the ambient air temperatures get too low. You could mist the tank with some water out of a clean spray bottle, but if your ambient temperatures are up that high from the bulb, it probably won't stay humid for very long.
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Re: What is wrong with my baby? =(
I agree get rid of the heat lamp make sure you have some sort of control on your heat pad(to keep from overheating) and cover the "screen top" with something like a towel so air can circulate but keep moisture in..... adjust temps like everyone else has said, and Untill the girl gets settled in, dont handle her, it will just stress her out.
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