Help...Strange looking eggs! Pictures!

[NatelovesBPs]

this is where substratless method comes in as the best alternative. Not worrying about mixing or too wet.

+1

[NatelovesBPs]

I lost my very first clutch last year to this same issue. My water to vermiculite mixture was almost perfect just a little too wet and it made all the eggs rot IN the future all of my eggs will be incubated on a grate so theres no risks. Also if any sort of bacteria or chemicals somehow get on the substrate the risks are even higher. Lastly if your bator is set up well you shouldnt have to worry about this but sometimes you can have hotspots in your sbstrate and unless you lift the eggs and visually inspect the bottom you can not tell they are being burned. They bottom will begin to become brown and by that time its too late.....

[J.Vandegrift]

It creates just a slight film of condensation, not enough to creat droplets.

So..any condensation on inside of tub = too wet?

The condensation has nothing to do with it being too wet. It forms because there is a slight difference in temp inside your egg boxes compared to outside of them. I think unless your incubator is perfect you are going to have condensation. It's not a problem. All of my clutches get condensation on the tubs at some point. I use the substrateless incubation method. I also stick a pencil under one side of the tub. This makes the tub a little unlevel which causes the condensation to roll off of the top and down the sides instead of it dripping on the eggs.

[BaierBalls]

I appreciate everyone's help on this issue. These eggs are on dry vermiculite now, but it is still quite humid throughout the incubator. I think I over did the water in the vermiculite mixture. I've mixed this stuff up many times...but first time I've incubated ball eggs like this. Just too much water I believe.

They still both have veins at this point, so I'm keeping some hope for them. If I lose them...lesson learned!

[boasandballs]

I appreciate everyone's help on this issue. These eggs are on dry vermiculite now, but it is still quite humid throughout the incubator. I think I over did the water in the vermiculite mixture. I've mixed this stuff up many times...but first time I've incubated ball eggs like this. Just too much water I believe.

They still both have veins at this point, so I'm keeping some hope for them. If I lose them...lesson learned!

Sometimes our failures teach us more than our successes. I hope they all hatch and you have beautiful babies.

[Vilenica]

Where you read that. i got 2 that were roll outs not in coils. One is on day 40 and other is day 33 and both have baby snakes moving in them.

That statement is false is so many ways.

Thats cool and my quote did say I would love to hear about it. And your not the only one in this post incubating rollouts, and I dont blame you I do to. But everyone is still incubating and quick to say Im wrong so update me when the snakes have hatched. In my eyes they're was a reason your momma snake didnt adjust her coil to nurture those eggs. I think the main reason would be no heartbeat. Hey maybe theyre picky and would kick out irregular beating eggs? Third reason could be momma snake is stupid or is working on population control. Maybe come day 40 those are planned meals for nestbound momma. Im not sure but again (and Ive never talked to G.Graziani, or BB or even my buddy next to muddy waters) Ive never heard of good eggs not being covered by a brooding mom.

[RichsBallPythons]

Thats cool and my quote did say I would love to hear about it. And your not the only one in this post incubating rollouts, and I dont blame you I do to. But everyone is still incubating and quick to say Im wrong so update me when the snakes have hatched. In my eyes they're was a reason your momma snake didnt adjust her coil to nurture those eggs. I think the main reason would be no heartbeat. Hey maybe theyre picky and would kick out irregular beating eggs? Third reason could be momma snake is stupid or is working on population control. Maybe come day 40 those are planned meals for nestbound momma. Im not sure but again (and Ive never talked to G.Graziani, or BB or even my buddy next to muddy waters) Ive never heard of good eggs not being covered by a brooding mom.

Then you have MUCH to learn grasshopper.

I have had roll outs about Every year and they ALL have hatched out.

And for a female to kick a egg out because theres no heart beat is just non sense. Theres no heart or any beat of anykind in the eggs on the day their laid. It happens to all or most females sooner or later and they WILL incubate just fine if Showing veins.

[Vilenica]

Then you have MUCH to learn grasshopper.

I have had roll outs about Every year and they ALL have hatched out.

And for a female to kick a egg out because theres no heart beat is just non sense. Theres no heart or any beat of anykind in the eggs on the day their laid. It happens to all or most females sooner or later and they WILL incubate just fine if Showing veins.

There has got to be some reasoning for eggs not being incubated. It sounds like you have a lot of info and should start logging it down. Do you think you that your girls planned on eating those eggs that she was not going to incubate. Or do you think she planned on just letting it go with ambient temp/ taking turns with It etc. Maybe population control? DO you have enough info to make a hypothesis? This is good stuff, this is what I was looking for. Are the snakes that hatched out of the stray eggs healthy? healthy as hatchlings, etc.? In regards to the heartbeat thing If a ballpython can sense temperature differentiations of 1/200th degree I think they can sense a fertile embryo after it leaves its body for more air. Let me know what you think.

[RichsBallPythons]

There has got to be some reasoning for eggs not being incubated. It sounds like you have a lot of info and should start logging it down. Do you think you that your girls planned on eating those eggs that she was not going to incubate. Or do you think she planned on just letting it go with ambient temp/ taking turns with It etc. Maybe population control? DO you have enough info to make a hypothesis? This is good stuff, this is what I was looking for. Are the snakes that hatched out of the stray eggs healthy? healthy as hatchlings, etc.? In regards to the heartbeat thing If a ballpython can sense temperature differentiations of 1/200th degree I think they can sense a fertile embryo after it leaves its body for more air. Let me know what you think.

Yes one of my roll out eggs that hatched in 2007 laid a 5 egg clutch this season.

And i do not maternal incubate my eggs at all. Once laid they are removed to the incubator as soon as the female has finished laying them.

And well ball pythons dont eat eggs so idk where you keep getting these weird assumptions from.

[sg1trogdor]

Good luck with thosee eggs. I have a few clutches that should hatch next week. Can;t wait to see who the sire is. I haven't got a clue. I threw everything I had at my females this year except the albino, he got a girl all to himself lol.