Help, egg still attached to female...

[SnowAngel]

i'd like to give Corey Woods props for his very informative post.
for those of you that don't know Corey or doubt his methods i can say this.
although i haven't personally dealt with him yet, i have spoken and dealt with many people who have dealt with him and every one of them have told me that he is one of the top breeders north of the border.
john

I would just like to say that all my dealings with Corey Woods in the past have surpassed any and ALL expectations! he is a great guy and Canada is definatly glad to have him! Plus my little pied male is from his stock and has gotten MANY MANY compliments!

I am also interested in hearing updates on the poor girl... I am saving this post incase this ever happens to me.

Britany Bell
Alberta, Canada

[WingedWolfPsion]

My sole objection to this advice is that it amounts to surgery done without anaesthesia, which is a horrifying concept.

[m0esgirl]

about the antibiotics, does one just go to a vet and tell them, "hey look, this happened to one of my snakes, can you prescribe me some of this certain medicine..." or what? i have wondered about that, how one gets antibiotics for their reptiles, and this seems like the perfect place to get the info. and that advice had my jaw dropped. glad corey's on here!!

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

My sole objection to this advice is that it amounts to surgery done without anaesthesia, which is a horrifying concept.

Maybe so to some, but people like corey have been doing this long enough to know what needs to be done. Even an experienced exotics vet will likely have never seen anything like this before. Like he said, a vet would most likely go about it all wrong. Unless you have a great exotics vet you could take the snake and a printed copy of the instructions to, who would then do exactly that.

Another thing you need to consider is that it is very dangerous to give reptiles any anaesthesia. They often will not come out of it. This is how zoos take care of issue like this as well.

Would you say it was wrong for the breeder here that stitched up the hatchling which had a hole in its belly and the heart was sticking out? That baby lived due to that breeders quick thinking and some great advice gotten right here.

[Matt K]

My local (and well respected) reptile vet clinic back home in California told me that my +/- 1000 gram was too small to probe safely. This is why I want to get into the field, there is a shocking lack of practical knowledge out there. You can make your appointments in 6 years, satisfaction guaranteed, lol.

Cheers,
-Matt

[don15681]

Cory Woods isn't giving you information on what to try, but on his experience on what to do. As he stated for you slow people, he has already done this more than once and the female not only survived but was able to breed for years after without any effects of this procedure. I can understand if someone doesn't feel that they can do this. But I wouldn't let a vet do anything else that wasn't in this statement that Cory provided us with.

I breed ball pythons and this is my hobby with my own collection of them. I for one am very thankful that a breeder with the knowledge of Cory Woods, took the time to go into detail on what to do, most reptile vets don't even have this knowledge.

Cory Woods, THANK YOU!

Don

[Matt K]

Cory Woods isn't giving you information on what to try, but on his experience on what to do. As he stated for you slow people, he has already done this more than once and the female not only survived but was able to breed for years after without any effects of this procedure. I can understand if someone doesn't feel that they can do this. But I wouldn't let a vet do anything else that wasn't in this statement that Cory provided us with.

I breed ball pythons and this is my hobby with my own collection of them. I for one am very thankful that a breeder with the knowledge of Cory Woods, took the time to go into detail on what to do, most reptile vets don't even have this knowledge.

Cory Woods, THANK YOU!

Don

Disagreeing with some of what Cory wrote does not make one "slow." Don't be rude. The general consensus is that this is a helpful, and insightful bit of information. Discussion exploring other options or procedures for the general benefit of the animals should be welcomed, not shunned. I'm not meaning to call you out, but there's no need for name calling.

Cheers,
-Matt

[loonunit]

I'm glad to hear you were able to get the stuck egg free, Sam. Let us know how it turns out with the eggs still inside her oviduct, huh?

[muddoc]

Would you say it was wrong for the breeder here that stitched up the hatchling which had a hole in its belly and the heart was sticking out? That baby lived due to that breeders quick thinking and some great advice gotten right here.

Great post. Also, just a small bit of clarification about the above statemtn. I actually did bring the girl to the vet, and they refused to due the surgery. So, in that case, I had no other option (except to bring her to LSU Vet Hospital, and it was late on a Saturday).

[WingedWolfPsion]

Maybe so to some, but people like corey have been doing this long enough to know what needs to be done. Even an experienced exotics vet will likely have never seen anything like this before. Like he said, a vet would most likely go about it all wrong. Unless you have a great exotics vet you could take the snake and a printed copy of the instructions to, who would then do exactly that.

Another thing you need to consider is that it is very dangerous to give reptiles any anaesthesia. They often will not come out of it. This is how zoos take care of issue like this as well.

Would you say it was wrong for the breeder here that stitched up the hatchling which had a hole in its belly and the heart was sticking out? That baby lived due to that breeders quick thinking and some great advice gotten right here.

I'm saying that it's cruel to do surgery without anaesthesia or even painkillers. I'm not saying anything about right or wrong. I'm not saying there's even a clear choice here, but I definitely think that alternatives should be explored, given the amount of pain such a procedure must surely cause.
If you were the one having surgery, would you elect to go without anaesthesia because it's safer? Even if the anaesthesia posed a significant danger? Just a thought.