Quote Originally Posted by viperbry View Post
At the same time, I think the language is what is holding me (and maybe everyone) up on this argument. I believe that when the pro-tub people talk about the snake's happiness they are trying to allude to their well-being, as opposed to emotional feelings. To me, the two camps are arguing either 1. two different things (emotional states v. physical well-being) or 2. the same thing, but in terms that the other side cannot (or refuses to) understand. I feel that we cannot have a meaningful discussion on the matter until the bases for assessing the well-being are objective, as well as defined. Until this happens, we are just sitting here spinning the proverbial wheels.
I am refering to the snakes well-being. I personally do not think that snakes have feelings, so can't be happy or sad.