Animal cruelty for sure.

[Big Gunns]

guns, these experiments have been done time and time again. using controled environments, animals are stressed to highs and lows to see when their bodies stop functioning and what the optimal range is for the animal. you can do these experiments for a number of factors such as salinities, oxygen concentrations and, as in this case, temps. these studies are a vital part of science especially in marine science to show how human impacts can and will effect populations of animals. you wanted an example so here is one: http://www.springerlink.com/content/w1471837v6763712/. not sure if you can open the entire article. i use a computer connected to a university network so i can get a number of journal articles.

this type of test can show some valuable information that may not become evident in a lab. it is my understanding that the animals are in a large pin outdoors. if a similar study was done indoors in a caged environment, you could question just about everything with the experiment. for example, how do you know that the animal was suffering from temperature stress or the stress from being in a cage. lab experiments can be helpful but nothing compares to the data you can get from an in situ experiments.

now, is this particular study vital to science....well maybe not. was the animal going to die anyway....YES! i said it before and i will say it again. at least the animal wasn't killed for no reason. we now will have some good information on temperature stress in large constrictors.

You're giving BG a crab? Uh OH...BG is being a hypocrite. All crab owners are gonna be po'd at BG.

OMG..you changed my quote...lol....it was YOU and WILOMN.... Oye..should have seen that coming........I pretty much set myself up of that one...

Yes you did.

Ladies and gentlemen, this type of research is and has been going on for decades if not longer. The human race has used all animals in very odd and disturbing forms of research.

I guess it's kinda like eating at your favorite restaurant and really enjoying the experience for years. Then one day you apply for a job in their kitchen and see what actually occurs in that kitchen. You've lost your taste for any of their dishes. Sometimes it's better to NOT know how things are done.

This same thing goes for animal research. You knew something was going on, until one day you read an article or watch something on the internet. then you realize how we treat our animal friends while doing research.

I'm not saying it right or wrong to do this type of research, but it is what it is. Do a little searching on the internet, most of the more important medical discoveries have been due to research on animals.

Jim Smith

Yes...BG knows all about the monkeys given the aids virus and nasty things of that kind, but all of these studies are like someone said earlier. They are to help the human race(BG still hates them). These are not. The snakes are left to die in the cold. This does not help us "higher beings" at all.